Titan Machinery Inc. (TITN) Q3 2009 Earnings Call Transcript
Published at 2008-12-15 23:17:14
John Mills – Senior Managing Director ICR David J. Meyer – Chairman of the Board & Chief Executive Officer Peter Christianson – President, Chief Financial Officer & Director
Robert Evans – Craig-Hallum Capital Rick Nelson – Stephens, Inc. Chris [Retlzer] – Robert W. Baird
Welcome to the Titan Machinery, Inc. third quarter 2009 financial results conference call. During today’s presentation all parties will be in a listen only mode. Following the presentation the conference will be opened for questions. (Operator Instructions) This conference is being recorded today, Monday December 15, 2008. I would now like to turn the conference over to John Mills, Senior Managing Director ICR.
Welcome to Titan Machinery’s third quarter conference call. On the call today from the company are David Meyer, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Peter Christianson, President and Chief Financial Officer. By now everyone should have access to the third quarter earnings release for the period ending October 31, 2008 which went out this afternoon at approximately 4 pm Eastern Time. If you have not received the release, it is available on the investor relations portion of Titan’s website at www.TitanMachinery.com. This call is being webcast and a replay will be available on the company’s website as well. In addition, we’re providing a slide presentation to accompany today’s prepared remarks. We suggest you access the presentation now by going to Titan’s website and click on the investor relations tab and the presentation is directly below the webcast information in the middle of the page. Before we will begin, we’d like to remind everyone that the prepared remarks contain forward-looking statements and management may make additional forward-looking statements in regards to your questions. These statements do not guarantee future performance and therefore undue reliance should not be placed upon them. These statements are based on current expectations of management and involve inherent risk and uncertainties including those identified in the risk factor section of Titan’s most recently filed 10Q and 10K. These risk factors contain a more detailed discussion of the factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in any forward-looking statements. Titan assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking projections that may be made in today’s release or conference call. With that, I’d like to turn the call over to the company’s Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Mr. David Meyer. David J. Meyer: Welcome to our third quarter call. In today’s call I will provide some highlights of our third quarter and year end results, discuss our recent acquisitions and longer term unit growth opportunities and then provide a general overview of the environment in which we are operating. Peter will review the financial results for the third quarter and the first nine months of fiscal 2009 in more detail and update our full year guidance. I will then provide some brief closing remarks and we’ll open up the call to take questions. As John mentioned, to help you follow today’s prepared remarks we have prepared a slide presentation which you can access on the investor relation portion of the website at www.TitanMachinery.com and click on the investor relations tab on the right hand side of the page and you’ll see the presentation directly below the webcast in the middle of the page. I will pause for a few minutes to allow you to access the presentation on our website. I am very pleased to report another strong quarter and first nine months of fiscal 2009 for Titan Machinery. Slide Two gives an overview of our third quarter. Our revenue for our third quarter increased to $214 million, up 62% from the third quarter of last year. We saw growth in all three of our revenue streams: equipment; parts; and service. Our gross profit for the quarter grew to $37.3 million up 83% from the third quarter of fiscal 2008. Both equipment margins and parts margins improved in the quarter. Pre-tax income from the quarter more than doubled compared to last year creating earnings per share of $0.45 this quarter compared to $0.36 per share for the third quarter last year, a 25% increase in earnings per share. It’s important to note that the average diluted share count increased from 7.7 million for the third quarter last year to 18 million in the current quarter due to our initial public offering completed this time last year and our follow on offering earlier this year. Our strong financial performance for the quarter reflects strong demand due to the excellent regional economy, Titan’s ability to capitalize on the market and the added contributions of our new acquisitions. Now, turning to Slide Three reviewing our first nine months results as we have said in previous conference calls, we evaluate our business on an annual basis as opposed to a quarterly basis. This I because our business is based on our customers annual production cycles. Revenue can shift from one quarter to another based on when our customers are buying equipment and parts are required in service related to other patterns. This annual production cycle applies for both our agricultural and construction customers. Revenue for the first nine months of fiscal 2009 increased 68% to $501 million up from $298 million in the same period last year. Gross profit increased to $87 million from gross profit of $48 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2008 and our pre-tax income increased over 200% to $25.2 million from $8.2 million in the comparable period last year. After the effect of our increased share count our diluted earnings per share increased from $0.72 for the first nine months last year to $0.91 this year, a 26% increase. Our financial performance in the first nine months of the year and revenue growth increased margin underscores our solid business fundamentals, our execution of acquisition growth, the strong regional economy and our ability to leverage best practices throughout our network of stores. Turning to Slide Four, we have been able to achieve the strong three month and nine month results because our business is and will continue to be driven by two profitable growth factors, organic growth as well as a deep pipeline of acquisition opportunities. Our organic growth represented 42% of our third quarter revenue increase and 34% of our first nine month revenue increase. We continue to focus on organic growth by expanding existing locations and incorporating acquired locations in to our operating model. A key driver for our organic growth is increased market share. We do this based on our equipment expertise, our superior marketing and advertising programs, our ability to optimize parts and equipment offerings across a network of stores and our best in class maintenance and service availability. Acquisition growth represented 58% of our third quarter revenue increase and 66% of our first nine months revenue increase. Our numerous quantity of acquisition opportunities is being driven by the right environment for major consolidation in our industry. Besides a fragmented age dealer group, to support the demands of today’s sophisticated equipment combined with the growing dealer capitalization requirements, are providing numerous acquisition opportunities. Both John Deere and Case IH are advocating consolidation. Titan’s long standing relationship with CNH combined with our track record of successfully operating acquired dealerships puts us in an excellent position to capitalize on future acquisitions. Turning to Slide Five shows our ability to execute on our acquisition growth strategy. The accumulate effect of this Slide is 18 acquisitions in the last five years consisting of 38 locations. There are high barriers to entry in this off-road, agricultural construction business. We have the capital and expertise to continue this trend in to the foreseeable future. On Slide Six you can see the seven acquisitions consisting of $181 million in revenue that we have made since becoming a public company on December 6, 2008 just a little over a year ago. Our newly acquired stores are performing very well as we are continuing on a strong track record of obtaining acquired store employees and customer relationships while implementing our Titan operating model. Slide Seven demonstrates the size of our acquisition opportunity. Currently, we are projected fiscal 2009 represents less than 20% of the market opportunity in the upper Midwest. This does not even include the opportunities in other regions in the United States. We are the largest CNH dealer with 51 dealership locations which represents less than 2% with a total CNH dealer base in North America. As important as the growth opportunities is, the point that CNH continues to support us in our efforts to grow our business through strategic acquisitions. In September, we closed on the acquisition of Wolf’s Farm Equipment, a farm equipment dealership representing the New Holland brand in Kintyre, North Dakota. This dealership is strategically located between our Jamestown, Wishek and Mandan, North Dakota stores and has an excellent reputation for top notch services and support for New Holland lawn, tractors and hay equipment. Additionally, in October we closed on the acquisition of the agricultural division of Pioneer Garage, a farm equipment dealership selling the Case IH and New Holland brands. Pioneer Garage has Cash IH and New Holland dealerships in Pierre and Highmore South Dakota and a new Holland dealership in Miller, South Dakota. The three locations are contiguous to our existing stores in Huron and Redfield South Dakota. These dealerships will further boost our industry leading position in the state of South Dakota. Slide Eight, I would now like to discuss the ag economy in regards to our business. Farmers continue to have extremely strong balance sheets. As you can see from Slide Eight, both US farm debt and US farm debt to equity ratios are at historic lows. These leverage ratios in the 9% to 10% range put our customers in excellent financial position to not only purchase new and used machinery but also have multiple sources of financing liquidity. [T&H] capital of farm credit services, local and regional banks in our markets are aggressively competing for the equipment financing of the farm sector. Slide Nine, I would like to make a couple of comments on commodity prices. Even though we’ve had wild swings of commodity prices during this year of 2008, you can see from Slide Nine that our current level of corn prices are well within the range of a 20 year trend line. In addition, many of our grower customers took advantage of marketing opportunities available in late 2007 through much of 2008. Farmers are also benefitting from lower input costs resulting from declines of gas and fertilizer prices. Bottom line is that farmers are experiencing a record year of farm income. This combined with very strong balance sheets puts our growers in a position to invest in equipment, products and service for many years to come. Another positive worth commenting on is the current success of our construction equipment stores. The construction economy in the upper Midwest is defying national trends. In towns like Sioux Falls, Bismarck, Fargo and Rapid City, we are seeing strong construction activity due to the influence of both agriculture and energy. The additional resources targeted at our infrastructures proposed by President Elect Obama will be a huge shot in the arm to construction equipment business in the years ahead. Before turning the call over to Peter to review our financial results in more details, along with updating our guidance for the year, I want to restate our huge growth potential from organic and acquisition growth and that we are very optimistic for the long term outlook for our farmer and contractor customers.
Turning to Slide 10, our total revenue for the third quarter ended October 31, 2008 was $214 million. It was primarily made up of the following three sources: revenue from equipment sales increased to $168 million from $103.4 million in the third quarter last year; our parts sales increased to $29.8 million in the quarter compared to $18.4 million in the same period a year ago. Revenue generated from our service business increased to $12.9 million versus $7.9 million last year. This gives us a sales mix of approximately 79% for equipment and 20% for the after sales support parts and service portion of our business. On Slide 11 you can see that our gross margin for the third quarter increased to $37.3 million with gross margins of 17.5% compared to a gross profit of $20.4 million and a gross margin of 15.4% a year ago. Our gross margin increase was due to a number factors including higher sales of used equipment and an increase in our parts margins. Recurring gross profit from parts and service were 46% of overall gross profit reflecting the change in sales mix with increased equipment sales. Our operating expenses as a percentage of net sales were 10.8% in the third quarter versus 10.9% in the third quarter of the prior year. Our flat operating expenses as a percent of revenue were due to costs associated with being a public company including additional accounting staff and Sarbanes-Oxley costs. In addition, our incentives and commissions are a variable expense component reflective of the strong financial performance we are experiencing. Our operating income for the third quarter was $14.2 million with an operating margin of 6.6% versus $6 million and an operating margin of 4.5% in the third quarter last year. This improvement was due to growth in all three of our main revenue lines and improvement in our gross profit margin. Pre-tax income was $13.9 million or 6.5% of revenue compared to $4.5 million or 3.4% of revenue, a 310 basis point improvement year-over-year. Net income for the third quarter was $8.2 million compared to net income of $2.7 million in the third quarter of last year. Our earnings per share was $0.45 per diluted share in the current quarter as compared to $0.36 per diluted share in the third quarter of last year. Now turning to Slide 12, to review our nine month year-to-date results, revenue for the first nine months of fiscal 2009 was $501.4 million compared to $297.8 million in the same period last year. Equipment sales were $386.7 million compared to $225.8 million. Part sales were $74.9 million compared to $45.5 million and service revenue increased to $32.6 million compared to $20.9 million. Turning to Slide 13, gross profit for the first nine months of fiscal 2009 increased 80% to $87 million and gross profit margin increased 110 basis points to 17.4%. As David mentioned our recurring parts and service gross profit was 48% of overall gross profit for the first nine months of 2009. Operating income for the first nine months increased to $26.6 million up from $12.7 million in the same period one year ago. Operating margins improved to 5.3% in the first nine months of fiscal 2009 from 4.3% in the same period of fiscal 2008. Operating expenses as a percent of net sales were 12.1 for the first nine months, basically flat compared to the operating expenses in the comparable period of fiscal 2008. Pre-tax income for the nine months of fiscal 2009 was $25.2 million or 5% of revenue compared to $8.2 million or 2.7% of revenue last year. Net income for the first nine months of fiscal 2009 was $14.9 million or $0.91 per diluted share compared to net income of $4.9 million or $0.72 per diluted share in the first nine months of last year. Turning to Slide 14, our same store sales for the first nine months of 2008 increased 25.3%. As a reminder, when you look at same store sales, we know that’s an important metric but we believe it’s more important to measure our business based on same store gross profit because sales mix is a very important driver of profitability as our parts and service business drives a higher margin than our equipment sales. We believe the best measure of our organic growth is by same store gross profit. During the first nine months of 2008, our same store gross profit improved 34.25 to $58.2 million from $43.3 million. For the three months ended October 31, 2008, our same store sales increased 26.1%. Same store gross profit improved 43.4% to $29.2 million from $20.4 million. Our historical same store sales for the previous three years has averaged 11.5% highlighting the robust markets we’re experiencing this year. While we expect our business to continue to benefit from the positive long term economic climate for farmers, I do not want to overshadow the strength of our operating model. By leveraging best practices across all our existing stores and newly acquired stores we continue to improve our same store pre-tax margins and position ourselves for continued earnings growth. For modeling purposes it’s worth noting that 16 dealerships are not included in our same store analysis for the third quarter of fiscal 2009 and 22 dealerships are not included in our same store analysis for the first nine months of 2009. We calculate same store sales by including stores which were with Titan for the entire period which we are comparing to so only the stores that were part of Titan for the entire three months and the first nine months of fiscal 2008 are the ones which are included in our same store comparison. On Slide 15 we give an overview of our balance sheet highlights. We continue to have a strong balance sheet with a cash position of approximately $92 million to pursue future acquisitions and fund working capital and general corporate purposes. Our inventories totaled $235 million at the end of the third quarter compared to $146 million at the end of our last fiscal year. We’re very pleased with our inventory and believe our inventory level has us well positioned to support our annual sales growth and revenue outlook. At the end of the third quarter we had minimal long term debt balance of $3.8 million. The company has a $300 million wholesale floor plan credit facility with C&H Capital. As of October 31, 2008 the company had $150 million in available borrowing remaining under its floor plans line of credit. In addition, the company has a $25 million operating line of credit with Bremer Bank. For quarterly modeling purposes, it is worth noting that weather patterns impacted our third quarter revenue, particularly our equipment business. On our first quarter call we discussed that weather delayed planting in spring and as a result harvesting was delayed in the fall. This gave farmers more time to buy new and used equipment as well as new parts and service for their existing equipment leading to higher revenue in the third quarter. Also, as we have said in previous conference calls, we evaluate our business on an annual basis as opposed to a quarterly basis. This is because our business is based on our customers’ annual production cycles. Revenue can shift from one quarter to another based on when our customers are buying equipment or parts or requiring services related to weather patterns. On Slide 16, we turn to our revenue outlook. As a reminder, our policy on guidance is that we give annual revenue and earnings per share guidance on our fourth quarter call and update if necessary in subsequent quarters. Based on this criteria, our better than anticipated performance in the first nine months of the year and our increased visibility in to the remainder of the year for the full fiscal year of 2009 we’re raising our revenue outlook to a range of $635 million to $675 million compared to our previously issued guidance range of $590 million to $635 million. Now, turning to our earnings guidance, we raised our net income expectation to a range of $18 million to $18.7 million from a range of $15 million to $15.9 million. We’re raising our earnings per share guidance to $1.07 to $1.11 from a range of $0.89 to $0.94. It’s important to note that our weighted average diluted shares outstanding used for calculating our earnings per diluted share for fiscal year ended January 31, 2009 is approximately 16.8 million shares. Now, I’d like to turn the call back to David for closing comments. David J. Meyer: We are very pleased with our year-to-date results and results we have achieved during our 28 year history. We believe that we are well positioned to continue to grow our business through organic growth and strategic acquisitions. Before I open up the call to take questions, I want to conclude by thanking all of our employees for all their hard work and our valued customers for their support. Operator, we are now ready for the first question.
(Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from Robert Evans – Craig-Hallum Capital. Robert Evans – Craig-Hallum Capital: First, can you talk about the acquisition pipeline that you are currently seeing and how maybe its changed with the recent changes in the economy and maybe a slower macro outlook? Can you give us some more color there? David J. Meyer: Right now this acquisition pipeline Bob has been really steady for a number of years now. I think basically if you look at the demographics of the existing dealer out there where you’re looking at not only a fragmented dealer organization right now but it’s aged, the sophistication of this machine with all the GPS technology and some of these things is increasing so you’re seeing some of the investment is going to take these dealerships to support that type of sophistication that we have in today’s equipment. You’re seeing a lack of succession so that really hasn’t changed so like we’ve talked about call after call here we’ve got a huge pipeline out there and a number – also what the [inaudible] investor market is out there right now and we’re working with some high priced equipment, we’re looking for $300 combines, $250,000 tractors, this is a highly capital intensive business so you take all these combinations and it remains a full acquisition pipeline on managing number of potential sellers right now and it stays on track and it’s definitely not diminishing any from where it has been. Robert Evans – Craig-Hallum Capital: Since we’ve had the last call there’s certainly been changes in the economy since then, would you say that pipeline or at least pricing and maybe willingness to sell has gotten better, worse or stayed about the same? David J. Meyer: I think things have stayed about the same. I think the reason these guys aren’t really wanting to get out of business right not isn’t really much because of the economy it’s just because when you’re 65 years old, 68 years old, when you’re 70 years old there’s a lack of succession in the dealership. You’re customers are looking for 24/7 support, we’ve got some very sophisticated equipment, that really hasn’t changed any Bob. To tell you the truth, we don’t want it to accelerate much more than it is right now because we’re handling these things at a really high rate right now. You’ve seen what we’ve done in the last nine months and I don’t know if we’d want them coming at us faster than that in the future. You’ve got to understand too that we’re buying these dealerships on their asset value. I think they’re priced right, you’re not seeing a large amount of goodwill and acquisitions so really if it stays at the same place we’re satisfied with that. Robert Evans – Craig-Hallum Capital: Also, can you comment on availability of financing for dealers? I get that question a lot. What are dealers saying or what are the options for financing for their equipment? David J. Meyer: You’re talking about dealers? We’re kind of two things dealers and customers – Robert Evans – Craig-Hallum Capital: I’m saying for the customers. David J. Meyer: Well, right now the manufacturers provide the floor plan financing but as far as our customers are concerned, like we talked in [inaudible] you’re looking at leverage ratios of these guys at 9% to 10% range, there aren’t too many consumers out there in the financial position as our farmer customers right now. In talking with our growers, especially our large growers, they’ve got no less than three to four lending institutions knocking on their door wanting their financing business right now. They’re sitting in excellent financial condition. They’re in great shape. I think that regional banks in our market here didn’t participate in the subprime and some of these issues and some of this derivative stuff that some of these other banks around the nation did and I think they’ve got access to capital, they want these farmers business and I think they’re aggressive going after it. You’ve got a very strong farm credit service group in this agency which they’ve got some implicit guaranteed government bonds from where they’re borrowing their funds from. So, I think we’ve got a good source of financing and I am seeing no slowdown. You’ve got Deere Credit, Cash IH or CNH Capital is actively after that business plus the local banks want to keep as much business as they can. So, between those three organizations there’s a real aggressiveness out there to get every financing dollar that is out there from these farmers right now. Robert Evans – Craig-Hallum Capital: Final question, I just want to clarify on the same store sales, I believe a year ago you had lease revenue of around I think it was $16 million or so. In your same stores sales calculation is that comparing against that lease revenue in there as well?
Bob, we included that $16 million when we did our comparison. Robert Evans – Craig-Hallum Capital: So if you were to average that out, I don’t have the numbers in front of me, it would obviously be considerably higher?
Our next question comes from Rick Nelson – Stephens, Inc. Rick Nelson – Stephens, Inc.: A question for you Peter, related to the guidance, you implied fourth quarter guide would assume a slowdown from what you’ve seen in the third quarter year-to-date. I’m wondering if there’s something you see in the business here in the current quarter or is it just a desire to be conservative?
I talked about it in the call where our customers are all on an annual production cycle and the weather played such a role in our business and in their business. We had an extremely delayed fall harvest this year and so we saw them having more of a chance to make some of those equipment purchases and of course they’ve got the economic stimulus that they’re looking at and the tax benefits of that and so they had more time to do that. We saw the same thing in our parts and services business and we are just modeling our business conservatively. We still look at it on an annual basis and we think we’re going to finish out the year with our guidance at $1.11. We feel pretty confident on that. Rick Nelson – Stephens, Inc.: I want to also ask you about the gross margin improvement in equipment and the parts segment, what are the big drivers there?
The gross margin increases on the equipment sales primarily came on the used side of the business and one of the drivers is definitely the current market that we’re in but I want to mention that we have our sales people all compensated with a variable commission and basically our compensation and our operating model is driving them to get the results where we’re achieving a little better margins and in the parts area we’ve been leveraging across all of our stores and doing a better job on our ordering. Rick Nelson – Stephens, Inc.: A question also about same store growth, I know in the last call you had talked about a target of 10% for the second half. You put up substantially more growth than that in the third quarter. How do you think about the remaining quarter?
Rick, that’s why earlier in the call I mentioned that our three year average was 11.5% and we’re very pleased with the strong same store results that we’ve been achieving so far this year. It’s very good results, we’re still modeling that 10% model for the rest of the year. Like I said we still have to look at this thing on an annual basis and we need to keep in mind that we had the delayed harvest and see how the year goes from there based on our guidance. Rick Nelson – Stephens, Inc.: I realize you don’t have 2009 or fiscal 2010 guidance out there yet but how do you think about it in terms of same store growth? Do you think you will be able to grow given what’s happened to the macro environment and commodity prices? David J. Meyer: Right now what we’re concentrating on is finishing out our fiscal 2009 year and what we’ll do is we’ll be studying on that a lot and when we make our fourth quarter call then we’re going to give the outlook for fiscal year 2010 and give you some good information on that call.
Our next question comes from Chris [Retlzer] – Robert W. Baird. Chris [Retlzer] – Robert W. Baird: A couple of questions, I guess we’ll start with some pricing questions. Up first, judging from your gross margin in equipment this quarter it looks like used equipment pricing is still positive. Is that still increasing on a year-over-year basis for you or is used equipment pricing starting to level off at all?
It has been through the third quarter that we’re reporting on here. We’ve seen strong demand in the marketplace and the margins are reflecting that. Chris [Retlzer] – Robert W. Baird: What are you hearing from customers as far as their willingness to accept some of the 5% to 10% sort of prices increases that have been put in place for coming in to next year? David J. Meyer: Well, if you look at all these farmer inputs, I think the machinery increases are probably the smallest of any of them out there right now and also with some of these increases you’re seeing some technology increases, you’re seeing some of this GPS of equipment, you’re seeing more fuel efficient engines, you’re seeing some difference in tires, you’re seeing larger capacity combines. So, there’s a lot of things that go with that right now. At the same time we talked about this increase in values of used equipment of what they’re trading in is worth more money so right now I think like I said before of all the inputs out there we’re seeing in the farming sector right now the farm equipment is the lowest increase of all those inputs. Chris [Retlzer] – Robert W. Baird: Of the price increases we’ve seen over the last six months or so, where any of CNH’s specifically steel surcharges and is there any risk that those disappear as steel prices come down? David J. Meyer: We had a steel surcharge that was put on earlier in the year right now and I think some of that surcharge got incorporated in some of the 2009 pricing. From my discussions from CNH they’re talking pretty optimistic about steel prices going ahead, we’re seeing a decline right now. So, I continue to say CNH is very aggressive right now in the marketplace and I continue to see them to be as competitive as possible with their equipment pricing. Chris [Retlzer] – Robert W. Baird: Then have you heard of any changes in your floor plan financing terms on tap for next year as far as the length of your interest free period or the interest rate being charged? David J. Meyer: We have not seen any changes right now in the scheduled terms and discounts. As for the terms of the financing right now, when you start talking about when you go outside of the standard floor plan window and when you go outside of that I think you could see some possibilities there could be some different rates charged but we have some provisions in place that we’ve made proactively a long time ago. We put some things in to place that we’re in great shape and right now we have no risk here through a good portion of 2009 right now because of some things we did earlier to provide for an event some things we saw take place happened. Chris [Retlzer] – Robert W. Baird: I’m sorry I’m not quite following you here. David J. Meyer: What we did is we managed some of the risk by procuring some credit lines from some of the competitive nature, some of the things, I just don’t want to disclose certain things but basically we’ve got the same floor planning rates we had all through 2008 guaranteed as well through some various sources through the second quarter and third quarter of 2009. Then you’ve got your standard interest free floor plan period. When you have that with CNH there is no change in that because there is no interest so it doesn’t matter what the rate is because you don’t pay interest. Chris [Retlzer] – Robert W. Baird: But, the length of the term hasn’t changed? David J. Meyer: The length of the term has not changed. Chris [Retlzer] – Robert W. Baird: Then last question, I’m just trying to get a sense for the stability of parts and services revenue through a equipment downturn if you will. When you look back we have industry retail sales data and we can see what happened to new equipment volumes at least, what happens to parts and services revenue typically over the same time? Is it much more stable, I’d imagine? David J. Meyer: The parts and service side of our business is probably the biggest differentiator between us and the manufacturers and the thing of it is if equipment sales go down all of the existing installed base still has to be used, the duty cycle is still the same, all the acres are still farmed so if you would sell less new equipment ultimately it results in needing more parts and service repair and so it’s much more stable than what the equipment is. Chris [Retlzer] – Robert W. Baird: But still would likely decline modestly in a new equipment downturn or would it stay flat or grow? What has it done historically? David J. Meyer: It’s remained pretty flat.
Our next question comes from Robert Evans – Craig-Hallum Capital. Robert Evans – Craig-Hallum Capital: Can you give us the mix of new versus used equipment this quarter in terms of equipment sales?
I don’t know that we break that out in our 10Q. We don’t report that breakout. Robert Evans – Craig-Hallum Capital: Can you just give us a general idea? I’m just wondering –
I guess I would say it’s following historical trends. Robert Evans – Craig-Hallum Capital: And remind me what that is Peter? I apologize, I don’t have it in front of me.
Well, we look at probably 60% on the new. Robert Evans – Craig-Hallum Capital: Dave or Peter can you comment in terms of the grower attitudes in terms of how the market has changed in the last quarter or two in terms of commodity pricing an input costs? You’re coming off of record incomes, you’ve had your commodity prices spike up and then come down as again as well as input costs, what are the general attitudes that you’re hearing kind of as we head in to ’09? David J. Meyer: Well, if you’ve dealt with farmers very much over the year, even in good times they kind of don’t really tell you they’re good. They always find negatives out there. This is also this is kind of par for the course. I think I’ve got to remind you that a lot of these guys took advantage of the high commodity prices from late 2007 in to a good share of 2008 and not only did they sell all their existing inventories that they had in their bins they also forward contracted this 2008 crop. I know some individuals even went out in to 2009 or 2010 so I think your good marketers out there I think they’re pretty happy that as late as the growing season was we’re seeing some good yields that came through this year. There were some real home run hits in the wheat crop this year with $70 bushel, $80 bushel wheat and a lot of that wheat got sold somewhere between that $10 and $20 mark so there’s been some real positives out there. I think that these farmers all understand the cycles, they’ve lived through the cycles. I think this time of year historically right off the combine you tend to see a little lower grain prices this time of year so this is nothing new for our growers. Their main concern is that they’ve got the best equipment and they are able to maximize their yields, manage their expenses and get the highest amount of productivity and they’re going to do it from the equipment side what it takes. So, if they can get their crop in on a timely basis and off on a timely basis, if you go around the country and watch people in the last two weeks combining their corn in this frozen field and falling through the ice and the mud and the cold, and it gives you a real sense of appreciate for late model reliable equipment to get their crop in and off on a timely basis. Robert Evans – Craig-Hallum Capital: Can you also comment on year-to-date I think you’ve got 5%, a little bit more than 5% operating margin which was what we held as maybe a target operating margins when you got closer to a billion in sales. It looks like you might get there with a much lower revenue number. I guess as you continue to grow and scale up should we continue to see operating margin expansion over time here?
Right now we look at it two ways, one of it is us improving our operating margins through driving best practices through all of our stores but the other one no doubt we are experiencing strong margins right now so we’ll monitor that as we go forward. But, we feel like as we scale the business that we can continue to work on improving our margin based on leveraging those best practices throughout the stores.
There are no further questions at this time. I’d like to turn the conference back over to David Meyer. David J. Meyer: Thank you everyone for being on our call today. Just as a reminder, we will be attending a number of conferences and marketing road shows throughout the upcoming months here. We hope to see you at these events and both me and Peter, if you have any questions would be happy, call our numbers on our website there and we’d be happy to help you with any questions you might have. Again, thanks for being on the call today.
Ladies and gentlemen this concludes the conference call. This conference will be available for replay today through December 29th at Midnight. You may access the replay system at anytime by dialing 303-590-3030 or 1-800-406-7325 and entering the access code of 3947934. Thank you for your participation.