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Schneider Electric S.E. (SBGSF) Q2 2015 Earnings Call Transcript

Published at 2015-07-31 22:25:19
Executives
Anthony Song - Vice-President Financial Communication and Investor Relations Jean-Pascal Tricoire - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer Emmanuel Babeau - Deputy CEO in charge of Finance and Legal Affairs
Analysts
Alfred Glaser - Oddo & Cie SCA Gaël De Bray - SG Securities Cédric Lecasble - Raymond James Euro Equities Andreas Willi - JPMorgan Securities Plc Fredric Stahl - UBS AG Mark Troman - Bank of America Merrill Lynch James Moore - Redburn Ltd. James Stettler - Barclays Capital Securities Ltd. Ben Uglow - Morgan Stanley & Co. International Daniela Costa - Goldman Sachs International William Mackie - Kepler Chevreux
Anthony Song
All right. Good morning. Welcome, everybody, to come here to join our first half 2015 results conference. Today, we have our Chairman and CEO, Mr. Jean-Pascal Tricoire; and our CFO, Mr. Emmanuel Babeau, joining us to share with you the highlights of our performance in the first half of 2015. Within that, I hand over to Mr. Jean-Pascal Tricoire to start. Jean-Pascal Tricoire: So, good morning to all of you and thank you for being with us in this time of July in Paris. I'll go first with presentation with Emmanuel. I'll start with strategy and highlights of the first half. And Emmanuel will then go into the detail of the presentation. So, let's move on immediately to Slide 5 and take a picture of Schneider at the end of H1, so a turnover which is close to €13 billion in current increase of roughly 10% of H1. And you know the other reason for this striking difference with respect to last year is the fact that Asia-Pac confirmed its number one position as the zone of the company. But this time, North America comes second and West Europe comes third, due mostly to currency impacts which have impacted of course the beginning of H1. Now, if we go straight to slide 7 which are the highlights of H1, adjusted EBITA up, current up 6% in an environment which I would characterize in H1 as challenging, challenging because of geographies, the epitome of that being China. But it's not only about China, there is Russia, which is a big country for Schneider, other emerging countries like Brazil, where we experienced strange market, which we had to react strongly. Second point, of course, Oil & Gas, division of the oil price by more than two in the past six months, which affected directly our turnover or indirectly because we have collateral investments of Oil & Gas happening in other sectors like construction. One thing that would appear very clearly in our presentation is the fact that Invensys results are impacted by rather high base of comparison in H1 2014, which gives place to one-offs, which are not likely to repeat in the future, so those are the major elements. So, if you want to summarize because we are still in the aftermath of the integration of Invensys - on simplify to the extreme. If you consider Schneider in organic terms and exclude Invensys, H1 is stable in terms of organic growth and in terms of margin, adjusted EBITA margin. Now, and this translates - and this is due to the fact that we've managed very rigorously our cost and we've generated a good productivity despite of rather low volume in the challenging environment that I was describing. Now, if you take the full picture of Schneider and include Invensys, revenues are, in current term, up by 9.8%. On the margin, it's coming to 12.5% for the first half. Now, focusing on Invensys, we're on track for cost and revenue synergies. But Invensys' performance in H1 is impacted by one-offs. The two majors are the shrinking of our nuclear business which you know - and especially in China, which you know was a major problem at Invensys. The second point is this famous double end of fiscal year that we had in 2014 which created an inflated base of comparison in H1 and especially concentrated in Q1 and reduced our Q1 2015 by pushing more invoicing at the end of 2014. So, that explain most of the shortfall we have on Invensys. The second point is, of course, the dynamics of the oil and gas market which delayed significantly some projects. And finally, the investment we put back in R&D investment that we had announced in our acquisition file which is mostly the refreshment of our Foxboro and Triconex platforms. So, that's about Invensys in H1, which impacts quite significantly the top line and the bottom line of the company. Now, finally, net income up by 4%. Adjusted net income impacted by higher restructuring as expected. It shouldn't come as a surprise, this. We had announced it clearly in our "Schneider is on" program that we would restructure more than we had in the past to adapt to the new level of volume, particularly in Europe. 70% of the restructuring is happening in Europe due to the new levels of business unfortunately in Europe, and the free cash flow is up in H1 by 21%. So, those are the major headlines of the first half. Now if you look to more salient points. Three of our four businesses are up. The only one which is really somewhere the center of our issues in H1 is Industry. Industry, half of the decrease is explained by the specific comparison or specific phenomenon I explained on Invensys. And half of the rest, which is negative, I would confess it's probably linked or is certainly linked to the lack of attention or the loss of attention on this Schneider historical Industry business, which happened in 2014 due to the integration, which was quite an important operation for us, of Invensys inside the company. We are working hard today to recover dynamics on this side of the business. Nothing is broken, but I believe it's just a loss of attention that happened last year. Now good news is that our Infrastructure business, which was a problem child of the previous year, is confirming its stabilization or its recovery to growth and is even becoming positively growing in H1, with particular, Utilities, which are stabilizing in West Europe. Other salient points, recovery of West Europe with better dynamics in the South of Europe. Good management of the situation in France, can't say the economy is brilliant in France, but the teams are doing a very good work to keep on develop the position. Mixed picture in Germany where I think we should be doing better. But permanent improvement over the six past quarters in Europe. And finally, a confirmation that Services, our growth engine, in Slide 9, for those following on the pack, growing six points more than the rest of the group. And within those Services, the biggest potential remains with medium-voltage and low-voltage energy services, which grew double-digit among all of the services we are providing. Now I'd like to go into the detail business-by-business. I'm moving on to slide 10. So, Building & Partner post a solid first half, being positive in terms of growth while suffering, I have to say, a lot from the size on the exposure to China, so compensating the China dynamics by good results and good dynamics in the rest of the world. This translates, by the way also in improvement of margin, which are already quite superior to the competition, so benefiting from a solid construction market in North America; on the other hand, handicapped by high base of comparison of low voltage that we are selling on data centers last year, which is not repeating in low voltage this year. So, construction markets have been very solid dynamics in North America. West Europe, growing in the UK on the South of Europe, weaker in Germany and Switzerland. Rest of the World have been mixed dynamics, but with very strong results posted in Middle East. Asia-Pac really penalized by China on - for reasons which are quite obvious. So, that's about Building & Partner, very solid first half. Infrastructure, I already spoke about the return to positive in Infrastructure. And there are different dynamics. So, what we see is that Western Europe is regrowing, especially once again in UK and South Europe. In North America, we are benefiting from good dynamics in Canada. We are expecting better growth in the second half due to projects in Data Centers, which are significant. We have mixed trend in Asia Pacific, and once again, we are reacting to a low market in China. We are growing in East Asia. Again, we have good dynamics in Middle East, but weak situation in Russia, which especially is impacting the profitability of our Solution business. And I would say, not only Russia, across a certain number of projects. The economic situation of Russia is well-known. And you remember that Russia is a place where we do quite a lot of projects, of Infrastructure, especially with Electroshield-Samara. But it's also other emerging countries like Brazil. So - but on the other hand, the profitability of this business is helped by the excellent development of our Service business. And you know that the dynamics of such business is a combination of projects, which come at tight margins, but which are followed with recurrent flows of services. But clearly, more positive dynamics here while facing big headwinds on some geographies, which are affecting overall performance in Solutions. Moving on to IT. IT is slightly up, good in the U.S., good in West Europe. We have this secured power business in India that had a weak Q1 for internal reasons of improving the quality of our payment, and good growth in Middle East and Africa compensating for the continued weakness in Russia where you know we have an extremely strong position. Of course - and we will see that margin a little but under pressure, but at levels which are far above the one of our competition. So, we keep developing in IT all the aspects of secured power from products to complete data centers and keep developing larger offer in this sector. Well, at the end of the day, the - one of the major problem we had in this first half after a brilliant year 2014 is Industry. So, Industry, I spoke about Invensys and I'll come back into more detail about Invensys. But the [ph] other half of the decrease is explained also by the dynamics of the Schneider historical Industry business. And while I'd already shared that in - during the quarter, during some conference, but I believe we've lost attention - some attention to the development of that business, particularly the product business, the OEM business. And we are working on correcting this situation, on regaining the momentum because there is no reason at all to have this kind of situation, especially at a time when we launch a flurry of new products in this sector. This has been also quite impacted by China where our prevalent position in it with machine manufacturers and machine manufacturers which have been also impacted by the crisis. Focusing on Invensys, on one side, very positive in terms of synergies. Revenue synergies, cost synergies, mid of the year, 50% of the synergies on both sides have been - in process are being fulfilled with related integration costs to generate the cost synergies. On the other side, and I don't come back into the detail of all this, two one-offs are impacting quite a lot the first half, the Q1, and I spoke about it and we spoke several times about it. The second point is the nuclear business, which, as you know, we had to resolve. We are [ph] phasing out two Services, so that's a reduction of volume with some costs associated to finish resolving these issues. We, of course, suffer from the dynamics of the oil and gas market. And one proxy for that is what we do in field devices, which are the valves that go into an oil & gas system. And you see they are down by 20%. But on the other hand, we are repositioning ourselves into other segments. And what strikes me is that the underlying trend of sales, if you exclude the one-offs, is slightly negative and not exactly a mirror of what we hear and what we see from global oil and gas markets. So I believe we are, on that side, from the turnover point of view, on the profitability difference point of view, doing a reasonably good job. Now, going on the cost equation, we worked on productivity, kept working on the productivity. Solid figures in H1 2015. Though I have to say we were disappointed by the volume, so that doesn't help in terms of productivity. And we had to suffer in some geographies, especially Western geographies, of this optimization of our base cost for manufacturing, which we are working on. And you've seen the restructuring cost increasing. Second point, working harder on our support function cost, working on global functions, on the optimization of sales and marketing, optimization of R&D to adapt to the level of business. To mention also that H1 has been marked by a number of launch of new products that we developed in the past few years. We don't yet have the volumes associated to those products, but we have the cost of amortization of some of the capitalized R&D associated to those products and that sees out in the gross margin of this first half especially in Industry, which at the same time is knowing - the slowing down that I mentioned before. That's not only on product, but also in software. To mention some of the software suites that we just came out with, Resource Advisor for Energy Management, StruxureWare for Data Centers, StruxureWare for Healthcare, hospitals particularly. Of course, I'd like to spend a few minutes though it was explained last week on the announcement that we did of our deal or the intention of doing a deal with AVEVA to build one of the global leaders of industrial software. Here, we are combining our two platforms of software to roughly double up the size of what we are, both of us individually and propose to our customers a full management of their assets on the digital front from design and build to operations. So, we are starting, or we have engaged into due diligences with AVEVA over the past week. And now, we work with them to build, finalize the building of this project, which is very promising and going exactly in the direction of Industry 4.0, industry of the future, which is a big topic today with our customers especially to help them reduce their costs. And I will finish with overview by speaking about our Planet & Society barometer. You know that when we restarted our new company program, "Schneider is on", we fixed ourselves new targets. At the end of the first half, we are in advance on those targets. Well, it's a kind of classical that it's easier to start than at the end, so a good start, but we have to keep working hard in achieving those objectives. With that, I'm switching to Emmanuel for the details of H1.
Emmanuel Babeau
Thank you, Jean-Pascal. Good morning, everyone. Let's move to detail on numbers and let's start of course with a look at the sales, and notably the sales by region. So, altogether, our sales have amounted to €12,848 million. It's up plus 9.8%. As you can see, we benefited from a very strong positive forex impact mainly coming from the U.S. dollar and the Chinese Yuan. We have also a small positive scope impact, plus 0.2%. This is mainly the Günsan acquisition in Turkey. And by the way, we are extremely pleased with the first months of Günsan within our portfolio, delivering even above our expectation. Now, looking at the organic growth, altogether minus 0.9%. That would have been flat, as we said, excluding Invensys. And as you can see, China has taken its toll on the performance with plus 1.1%. So, China is costing us around two points of growth on the first six months. Now, entering into the detail by region, best performer, Rest of the World which basically are the new economy outside Asia Pacific. And here, it's quite an achievement because, of course, in the Rest of the World, you have the Russian market. And Russia, as we could expect, has been globally very difficult, but especially for two of our businesses. Jean-Pascal alluded to that already, First difficulty with our Infrastructure business and second difficulty with our IT business. And we have seen a very significant drop in volume and in sales for these two businesses. But outside Russia, good performance in the Rest of the World, notably for the Middle East; also for Central Europe and Eastern Europe. And in a difficult environment, South America has been growing as well, and notably outside Brazil. Another region which has been growing during this first half is Western Europe, up plus 1%. Good to see Western Europe back to growth. And we've been seeing a number of country such as the UK, Spain, Italy posting nice growth. Even France has been on positive territory, not so much frankly on the dynamism of the market, but really more on the efficiency of our action on the French market. Really, the significant dark spot for us in Western Europe for the first half has been Germany. Now moving to country which are close to breakeven, or region, North America, minus 1%, with a contrasted situation in the U.S. Construction market going well and we have clearly benefited very nicely of that with very good growth in everything linked, for instance, with our Retail business. [Ph] In front of that, we have seen Oil and Gas investment going down significantly. We have seen a slowdown in investment on Data Centers. And we have seen also some of the player in the Industry sphere being impacted by the strong dollar, so some impact on our H1 in that respect. And then Asia-Pacific, down minus 5%. But of course, we have a very contrasted situation there. China is down double-digits, and the rest of the region is up around 3%, and notably with a good performance in India. Now, moving to the analysis of the gross margin rate, which has been the big headwind that we have faced in our financial results during the first half. We are losing 1.1 points of gross margin, down from 38.1% to 37%. I think it requires to really enter into the detail to understand what are the dynamism and trends and drivers playing there. First, we have the traditional two positive driver to our gross margin improvement. The first one is what we call the net price, which is a net difference between raw material evolution and the price that we are posting. And as expected, in that respect, we had faced a nice positive decrease in the raw material prices, contributing close to €80 million, and we expect €100 million and we could be above that number for the full year. And in price, as expected, in an environment with very low inflation, we have a negative price contribution on our product of €33 million. It's mainly China, though some impact as well, but to a weaker extent on our IT business. So this is accounting for an improvement of 40 bps of the margin. Then you have the productivity, 1 point, 2 points positive. If you look at last year, same period of the year, it was plus 1.5 points. So, we are a bit lower in term of contribution coming from the productivity for the reason that Jean-Pascal mentioned, i.e. we have lower volume, we had also made some investment builds on capacity, lower volumes, so poorer absorption of fixed cost which has been limited - limiting to some extent the positive contribution from the productivity. And then we have the big negative, the minus 1.6 points of negative coming - by what we call the mix. Within that, you have the kind of traditional mix coming from geographies, evolution between the solution, product, the mix within product that is contributing by - for 60-basis-point negative. This is a kind of trend that we see normally. And it can reach between 40 bps and 80 bps negative. That's really what's we have seen in the past. But the big negative here during this first half have been one point that we have lost on the margin on Solution. And here, really, I would say, three driver for this negative trend. The first one is globally an acknowledgement of price pressure on Solution business with a shrinking pie and therefore you take Solution at a lower margin notably to feed your factory. Second, conscious decision that we want to take a number of project whether in Industry, IT or Infrastructure at a low margin. But this is going to give, on the long term, Services. So, you cannot stop at the analysis on a semester. It probably needs to be looked at over several years, second element. And third element, Jean-Pascal mentioned that, some one-off elements and notably in Russia, also in Brazil which has been impacting the performance on this first half. I will come back on this Solution impact on the next page to detail what we are doing to correct this trend. Then, you have 40 bps negative coming from a lot of innovation which has been launched at the beginning of the year. You will note in our accounts a significant increase on the R&D amortization and depreciation. So, this is at the gross margin level and we cannot see that today. We have, at the top-line level, the benefit of this innovation. So, that's certainly an objective for us in the coming months to see increased top-line momentum because of this innovation. And then you have the other impact, more traditional. The inflation on the cost of goods and the FX and [ph] scope, you have 10 bps negative on each of these items. Now, of course, based on this one point of loss, I mean we are extremely unhappy with this evolution and we want to react strongly and we want to react on four fronts. The first one is on the way we want to be more selective on the project that we choose to do. So, it's certainly to go for a project with the right size, the right profile in term of our capacity to deliver it, better skills at the level of the management or the tendering of the project, all these elements that can drive positively the margin evolution based on selection of the projects we want to play on and tendering phase management. Second element, of course, everything around execution, we need to improve the governance on the execution of the project to avoid the kind of one-offs that we have been mentioning. We need to make improvement on the way we manage our contract, all that to use all opportunities to increase margin on our Solution, both project and equipment. Third element is to grow more specialized and get even closer to our customer for more efficiency on our Solution. Let's start with the tailored supply chain for our project, which means that with a better understanding and more proximity with our customer, we're going to be notably on equipment, able to produce at a lower cost and globally improve margins, so a big stream on that one. Also, certainly, the capacity to develop specific expertise for certain end market, which is going to come with a differentiated value proposal. You are able to price for it. And as you develop this capacity, you are able to replicate several times the same kind of capacity that you have developed. And here again, that's an opportunity to increase margin. Fourth front, of course, globally work on more skills, on more knowledge in the company on Solution. Learning curve, we have been working a lot so that we have been making a number of acquisition where we need to also put the [indiscernible]. Russia is a good example, and we want to continue to build this capacity, and we want also to focus our skills with centers where we would concentrate all our knowledge and knowhow on managing solution and generating margin. We're not saying that all that is going to happen within a few months, but we believe that we have a path for improvement, and it's going to take a lot of our attention and time in the coming months to improve the situation on margin on Solution. Now, if I go more deeply in our P&L, so the gross profit has reached €4.752 billion. It's up almost 7%. When I look at the SFC, they are also up 7%. Jean-Pascal said it. Organically, we are down 2.1 points. So, if you take as a very reasonable assumption that structure costs are evolving to a minimum pace of plus 2%, notably because of inflation and natural evolution of cost, that means that we have generate a saving, which is above 4% versus the trend or forecast. So, already significant impact, but of course just the beginning of the journey and more is to come in term of SFC efficiency. That gives us an adjusted EBITA of €1.6 billion. It's up plus 6.4% versus the adjusted EBITA of the first half of 2014. Now, looking at the margin of adjusted EBITA, it has reached 12.5%. It's down 40 bps. But if you look at the performance outside Invensys, and Jean-Pascal has been elaborating on the driver for this Invensys performance, we are stable, 12.6% versus 12.7% despite all the headwinds that we have described. That mean that we managed to find way of growth and we had an array of performance in the first half to offset the negative. And that translate in fact in the margin by business because when you look at the [indiscernible] margin by business, I think there is really one point of difficulty, which is in Industry. Because for the rest - I mean, let's look at Buildings & Partner growing by 30 bps in this environment of China going down double-digit. That's quite an achievement, and certainly controlling the SFC has been a driver. When you look at Infrastructure, it's good to see Infrastructure up 60 bps, its control of SFC. Some products has been helping as well, but it's, of course, only the beginning of the journey. As you know, our ambition is to be back on Infrastructure to a double-digit margin. And on IT, I mean, we're down 80 basis points. It's largely coming from the forex. And we have been impacted by some of these projects taken at a low margin, really with the view that this should generate sales in the short term, and we keep a very high margin versus the competition. And again, when you look at the decrease of volume in Russia, to stay at that level has been good performance. And then of course the disappointment during this first half has been the Industry business where we are down 2.7 points. And here, we mentioned that. It's, of course, the impact of Invensys, some negative forex, the mix, some impact on Solution and higher R&D investment because of Invensys, because of all the innovation that we have been launching and that has been impacting the margin. The rest of the P&L is coming as, I would say, no surprise. I mean, first of all, on other income and expenses, here the main part of the negative amount is a capital loss coming from the disposal of the Telvent Global Services, which is the IT service business in Spain. We said it back in February, during our Investor Day, we said we are going to sell non-core business. It could come with some capital losses or some goodwill impairment. You have some of that. I think you should expect that to continue. So, we are working on this, focusing on our core businesses and exiting non-core businesses. And regarding restructurings, the €158 million of cost, once again, in February, we were very clear saying we have a strong project for more efficiency on our cost. We're going to have a significant part of this project in Western Europe. It's going to come at a cost. We said €700 million to €900 million of global cost for restructuring over a three-year period, and we expect for this year, the restructuring cost to be between €300 million and €350 million. And you have, therefore, a doubling of this amount year-on-year, very much as expected. On amortization and impairment, it's just the forex impact. So that gives us an EBIT of €1.230 billion. It's down 2% for this one-off reason that we have mentioned. Below the EBIT, you have the net financial expenses, €226 million negative. The cost of the debt is stable. You have here the forex impact which is playing positively of course for our result, more negatively on the cost of our debt which is in dollar. Income tax, we stay at an assessment or an expectation of around 23% for the year, thanks to the Invensys contribution. Last year, we had to discontinue the operation, the CST members which, of course, have left the company, and that gives us a net income group share of €790 million, 12% decline once again driven by discontinued operations which has left and this restructuring amount which is a significant increase. Now we think that to really assess the performance, and therefore on the key financial criteria that we'll be considering for dividend fixing, we need to exclude the non-recurring element. Of course, Invensys integration costs, which are continuing. This is the last year, but we have still a little bit of that in the P&L. Capital gain, because we could have capital gain on disposal of capital losses for what we have on the first half of the year. And, of course, the specific effort on restructuring in the life of the company that we have in 2015 and that we have highlighted during the three years of company program. And [ph] retreated for that, you have an adjusted net income growing by 4%. And once again, we think it's a key element to look at dividend for the full year. Now the free cash flow growing 21%; as you know, our free capital generation is traditionally, that has always been the case, largely back-loaded, so towards the second part of the year. Now, it's good to see that we have a nice operating cash flow growing by 5% year-on-year. CapEx are under control. Very good evolution of trade working capital despite inventory growing by roughly €200 million. We've been producing - expecting more sales than what has happened in the second quarter because of weaker market than expected. And that means that elsewhere, and notably at the level of the receivable and the level of the payable, we have had some very good management of the situation and it's a significant improvement versus H1 of 2014. And in the non-trade working capital, here you have also some non-recurring element coming from the payments of salaries and bonuses, which had been accrued at end of 2014 and paid in the first half of 2015. Below this €216 million free cash flow, you have the dividend, you have few acquisitions that we have made, notably buying back minority stake of our company in Saudi Arabia, some investment in low-voltage business in Africa. And then net capital increase which is a net between some share buyback for €90 million that we have made and some other element coming from stock option exercise notably during the first half. And then FX another €400 million. The vast majority of this amount is the negative forex impact on our debt. You know that approximately half of our debt is in dollar. So, when the dollar is growing significantly versus euro, you have a forex impact. The rest of the amount being some pension payment that we have made where we have some deficit during this first half. And the net debt at the end of June is a bit below last year at the end of June with an improvement of €100 million. Jean-Pascal, I hand over back to you for the full-year target. Jean-Pascal Tricoire: Sure. As we look to the second part of the year, we see some positives like we see a continuous momentum in the U.S. construction. We see a continuous recovery of West Europe. We have those three business hubs which are developing well despite China, which has impacted them all. It's good to be big in China. This year it's a little bit less good, but we are compensating for that and addressing the situation. We have services developing well. The recovery of Infrastructure. All of this is positive. Now we also integrate that we have uncertainty on negatives. We don't see much of a recovery in China happening soon. We don't see deterioration either, but we don't see a major recovery happening. Same thing in Russia. Russia economic situation is tough. And we see other countries like Brazil, for instance, who are also raising some problems. And what we do there is that: one, we address our cost base or we adapt our cost base to this new reality, and we reposition the company on the most positive segments in those countries. It's taking us some time, but I would say situation is under control, but certainly weighing on the results of the company. Second point, we are facing again headwinds for oil and gas. Most of the shock or large part of the shock is behind us. But we are going to benefit from a better base of comparison for Invensys, but Invensys will still be impacted by oil and gas. We're going to work on the recovery of the core and historical part of industry, and that's already in process. And if I would say the place where we are going to spend, as a management team, most of our time is to make sure that we square this project and solution situation where we have explanations. We know what we have to do. We just have to make sure that we accelerate the squaring of the situation. At the same time, we'll keep working on our cost within the simplified part of Schneider is on and keep working on the integration of Invensys which, as I said, is well on track. Anyway, due to those negative elements of uncertainties, we are adjusting our guidance at the end of the year where we forecast a flat organic growth in terms of revenue, significant growth in adjusted EBITA at current FX, in current terms, but a stable to moderate decline in adjusted EBITA respect to 2014 for the reasons we explained. Also to be mentioned that in conformity with what we announced in Schneider is on, we are going to keep going with the buyback program, €1 billion to €1.5 billion by 2016. In H1 we already used €90 million to buy 1.4 million of shares and we're going to accelerate in H2. So that's about what we have to say as an explanation of H1 or description of H1. We are ready to take your questions. A - Anthony Song: Thank you, Jean-Pascal. Thank you, Emmanuel. So now, we are open to questions. First, we will open the questions for the people in the room. So, Alfred?
Alfred Glaser
Yes. Thank you. Alfred Glaser from Oddo Securities. I wanted to ask you about the improvement potential in projects and solutions. This has been an issue also in the previous company plan and now it's weighing on profitability this year. Could you be a bit more specific on what you're going to do more precisely now in the next few quarters in order to improve this situation that has been worse than expected? And what kind of profitability and what kind of return on capital employed can we expect going forward in these solutions businesses overall? Jean-Pascal Tricoire: Right, well, Emmanuel spoke about it and there was a slide dedicated to that. But fundamentally, it's about better selecting the projects that we work on. There is a part of heritage which is still an heritage of the past, but more so some projects that we have taken into new applications, new segments, new geographies that we certainly are not going to do anymore. In this specific H1 there are some geographies which are impacting also more specifically the performance. Russia is a typical example. I would suspect or I would suppose that the situation in Russia is hopefully not business as usual at the moment, but we are addressing this new product and this new situation. Then there is always our setup to take and deliver projects is organized, that we are more globalizing, putting into stricter and stronger control than what we had in the past. The difference from where - I mean, the Invensys setup that we narrated is quite centralized and globalized. And by the way, they deliver pretty well on their projects. The rest of the company has a tradition of being more decentralized, which is okay when you take certain type of projects, which is not okay when you go to other type of projects. So we are globalizing - actually, more regionalizing our setup on professionalizing the skills there. And there is all mode execution that we are working on. There were a number of other factors that happened in H1. One was what I mentioned, certain geographies with problems, plus oil and gas where you had delays and it was not the only place. So when projects are delayed, it cost. I mean, you have a part of the equipment, a part of the engineering cost which remains with you. And that has not been very positive on this part. Now what is our ambition here is to be more targeted. Priority is more to profitability rather than volume. We want to develop more services also where there is a big potential. It's been showing an accelerated momentum and traction over the past years. We can do better there. And there the results are outstanding when we invest properly and do it properly, which is the case. We have a model there which is working. So developing faster the services, being more targeted and more professional in developing projects is the recipe. There I think the objective - it's not that I think - I really am committed that the objective of having a ROCE on projects, well-executed, well-targeted and well-complemented by services should be at the same level as a one-off product because the assets engaged are lower than what you have in products. To be clear also in the meantime, our product business is doing better and better. So, it's just kind of moving target, but we can be really at a better level. And as Emmanuel was mentioning, there is a part of the project in process, a part of the projects in data centers, but a large part of projects is within energy, medium-voltage and low-voltage packages, which are very important for our customers. There we have to be back in energy business at a level of profitability, which is double digit, which is the objective, which we confirmed and that we are sticking to and attached to.
Anthony Song
All right. Next? Gaël? Gaël De Bray: Thank you. Gaël De Bray from SocGen. Could you update us on the sort of changes you're seeing in the pricing environment? One of your competitors recently mentioned that they had seen a number of their competitors in the low-voltage area becoming even more aggressive on pricing, particularly on China. So, if you could maybe say something about it, perhaps on China and also more generally. And getting back maybe on the Solutions question, how do you reconcile the intention to be more selective and at the same time the stated strategy of taking projects at lower margin to benefit from future service activities? I mean, surely it's not an easy task for the employees there to exactly decide on what they have to do. And maybe in relation to the Solutions margin issue, looking at the portfolio rationalization, should we be looking forward to more divestments in Solutions or is it not really something you're planning to do? Jean-Pascal Tricoire: Okay. So three different questions, right? On pricing, well, I would say the margins that we have in products are testifying that we are managing whatever the conditions to maintain a healthy balance between our costs, really from cost which is coming from RMI, for instance, on productivity, on pricing. And from that point of view, I would say our margin on products is really second to none. So I heard some of the comments and I don't know who that was referring to. But margins are proving that we are certainly the last in that fight of pricing. I said in the past that we could be selectively more aggressive, but that's from a very high point of pricing on our side. Certainly, we've seen more pressure, okay. Certainly we've seen more pressure, especially in China. Now you know that in China there are several levels and several segments of markets which are different. And the dynamics of pricing can be different between those lineups, between those offers and between those segments. But we've seen more pressure. I would say we've seen probably more pressure everywhere. We see more pressure on projects that drives me or that leads me to your second question. On the second question what Emmanuel was explaining is the present situation, right? Is that we have taken some projects at lower margin to generate either an entry at some customer or generate the flow of services that would complement those projects. When we are saying we are going to be more selective and more picky, I'm speaking about the future, okay. I want us to make sure that we address more selectively the number of projects in segments, in applications, in [ph] typology that we want to address. And I know it's tactical, very - I wouldn't say it's sophisticated but it needs to be very accurate in the targeting. And this is why we want to regionalize, globalize more our setup, so that it's not many people who have the right to choose but selected people with a high level of experience. And I believe that we are building that set of people at Schneider, will it be through acquisition or will it be by recruitments or will it be by internal development of people? So, that's what we want to be doing more in the future. At the same time, the media insist that Services remain a huge potential that we still have to develop. In that margin decrease, there is also the investment that we put in people in Services who are not operational immediately. So, that's affecting the margin of Solution. Concerning divestments, we're going to be keeping on pruning the portfolio on places where we would be structurally either non-competitive on the midterm or where we don't see the right level of return are places that we would consider - that we are considering for divestment. Gaël De Bray: And that would certainly include some Solution business? Jean-Pascal Tricoire: That would certainly.
Anthony Song
All right. Any questions in the room? If not - oh, there's one. All right. Cédric? Cédric Lecasble: Good morning. Cédric Lecasble from Raymond James. Two questions. The first one on China, can we have a word about the business environment across the businesses? You mentioned double-digit decline. Is it across the operations? And do you think we've reached a kind of bottom, and especially in light of the equity markets volatility? And second question on Germany, could you also say a few words about the environment, please? Jean-Pascal Tricoire: Yeah. Well, on China, it's pretty much across the business that we've seen that - two caveat to that. First, we are comparing to H1 which was really high last year. We had a pretty strong H1 last year. We are entering into H2, which is less demanding in terms of basis of comparison. Okay, so that you have also to see where we are coming from in terms of comparison. Now, when you look at China, it's also quite segmented. Of course, construction is rather down. Some customers like we were doing quite a lot with OEMs doing machines for construction. They're also down, so we are suffering of that. On the other hand, you've got sectors like, take wastewater, or take transportation. We don't do coaches and trains, but we do infrastructure for that or renewables where the market remains dynamic. So, it's a question of repositioning ourselves and following the investment. Actually, there are spectacular investments of the government into those sectors. So, we have to make sure that we reposition ourselves. We are expecting also - at the moment, China is still trying to define its policy, when I say trying, doing it actively with the manufacturing in China 2025. But there will be also quite a lot of possibilities in automation in China in the future. So, it's across the board. The base of comparison will be less demanding, and we're repositioning ourselves into segments which are more favorable. Now, on your - you alluded to stock market, I can't comment on the China stock market. It seems to be really disconnected from the indicators. So, I don't think it's a fair reflection of what is happening really in the economy. On Germany, Germany, we are still suffering of what is happening with the Utilities. We are a pretty strong player with the Utilities. So, energy vendor has taken a toll with us. We've seen also - we have business with OEMs, which were big exporters to China and to Russia. We are suffering with them at the moment. When you sell to a machine manufacturer, your volumes are directly linear with the number of machines which are sold. And we had a weak first half - relatively weaker, not something dramatic, but a few points in Construction, which I'm not sure is a fair reflection of the market. So, that's where we are in Germany, but nothing radical, nothing huge. It's just that, by contrast, South of Europe and UK have been doing seriously better.
Anthony Song
Any more questions in the room? Does Gaël have one more? Jean-Pascal Tricoire: Gaël.
Anthony Song
Go ahead, Gaël. Gaël De Bray: Thank you. Just one question on the industry margin and maybe more specifically Invensys. I think the Invensys margin was probably down 400 bps, 450 bps in the first half. So, maybe how much of that was or can be seen as a one-off? And maybe if you could elaborate a bit more on how exactly we intend to drive the recovery in the margin for Invensys in the second half, especially given the later cycle profile of a large part of the Invensys business and the exporter to oil and gas.
Emmanuel Babeau
Yeah. I'm happy to take that one, Gaël. You're absolutely right. It's around 400-basis-point decrease. Half of that or close to half of that can be explained by the increase in the R&D spending. The other one, I would say, is largely lower absorption of fixed costs from the decrease of the top line that we described. It is clearly our intention in H2 to be back to a more normal margin for Invensys, and which is our objective. So, I'm not saying that we're going to replicate the margin of last year. I'm not saying that we cannot. I'm just saying we will be certainly, and it's our objective, much better in H2 than in H1 on the margin. Jean-Pascal Tricoire: The reinvestment of R&D has to be integrated. I mean, it was public from the beginning and it would be part of the expenses for the next, yeah, quarters.
Anthony Song
All right. So, now, let's open to the questions on the line. First, please?
Operator
Thank you. The first question on the telephone line is from Andreas Willi, JPMorgan.
Andreas Willi
Yeah. Good morning, everybody. Two questions, please. The first one on mix, which has already been asked before here. Within that, is the country mix still negative or shouldn't that start to improve now? It seems like country mix has been negative for a long period of time, almost independent of the relative growth rates. And on the pressure within the mix, it seems to be a lot just relating to pricing. Why is that not just called out as price pressure and put into the bucket in terms of your earnings bridge? In terms of the guidance for the full year, on the flat to moderately down margin, how do you define moderately and given that you haven't given a range for the top line, what is kind of - what's the range implying in terms of your assumptions for the second half? Thank you.
Emmanuel Babeau
On the - Andreas, good morning. On the country mix first, it's - I mean, it's not necessarily the biggest impact of the minus [ph] 0.6, but it's still negative, yes. I don't think we want to enter into a lot of detail on how the margin are playing. But bad news on Russia and China in term of the results of business are not good news for the margin. So, I won't go beyond that, but that's certainly what I can share with you. I'm not sure I fully capture your second question on price pressure. Jean-Pascal Tricoire: The second question was where is it classified? Is it mix or is it in pricing?
Andreas Willi
The pricing on the Solutions would be exact, put into the pricing...?
Emmanuel Babeau
All right. So, to be very clear, on price, as we reported, we just report on product. So, all the pressure on price I was describing on Solution, which is difficult to quantify because each solution, as you know, is unique. So, difficult to say I've been decreasing my price by X. That is reported in [indiscernible] the margin on Solution globally. Jean-Pascal Tricoire: ...which is consistent with what we did in the past, okay, and we always did that to put in pricing on the part of products.
Emmanuel Babeau
Now, on whether we can be more specific on what we mean by moderately. I think that we have to acknowledge that the first half was down 40 bps. So, we have a number of action plan to work on margin improvement. We believe that there is a positive scenario where we can catch up in the second half and have a flat margin for the year. There is a lot of uncertainty, we don't know at which speed the number of mitigation scenario and action that we want to implement will kick in. And therefore we want to also highlight the fact that there is a possibility of a decrease in the margin globally for the year. I don't think that we can be more specific than that at that stage.
Andreas Willi
...decrease more than in the first half, is that kind of the message?
Anthony Song
Pardon, Andreas. We can't hear you very clearly. Can you repeat your question?
Andreas Willi
I assume from that that you wouldn't expect the margin to decrease by more than 40 bps for the full year.
Emmanuel Babeau
Well, I think that's certainly not the idea that we have. I think we are clear on the fact that we have a negative situation in the first half. We're going to work on several front to correct it in the second half, and that is really the spirit behind the guidance that we have been giving this morning. Jean-Pascal Tricoire: I just can ensure that we are not pretty pleased. So, we are working on it.
Anthony Song
All right. So, next question?
Operator
The next question is from Fredric Stahl, UBS.
Fredric Stahl
Good morning, everyone. It's Fredric here from UBS. Could I ask you on the restructuring charge? I think they went up a little bit from the last time you communicated to us. And is this the - just looking further, is this a normal level of restructuring that we should expect in a no-growth or low-growth environment? Thank you.
Emmanuel Babeau
Look, you may have missed my comments that I made on the restructuring. No, actually it's fully in line with what we said since February because we announced €700 million to €900 million of restructuring over a three-year period. And I had discussion with some of you on why was the amount so important. And the answer is, well, first, because the ambition of saving is important. You will remember that we want to generate €400 million to €500 million SFC savings. That is also, of course covering the productivity that we are generating. So, important ambition, and we are well on track to deliver. If you look at what we have already started to do in H1. And second, a large part of the restructuring is done in Europe. And as we all know, restructuring in Europe is costly. That's why we want to generate this kind of hundreds of millions of savings. It's coming at a cost. But really, I think we're just implementing what we announced back in February.
Fredric Stahl
Sounds very clear. Thank you.
Anthony Song
All right. Next question.
Operator
The next question is from Mark Troman, Bank of America.
Mark Troman
Thank you. Good morning, good morning everyone. Question again related to the guidance, Jean-Pascal or Emmanuel. The 160 basis points of negative mix in the first half, with the 1% drag from Solutions, if we can call it that, do we expect that to continue through the year? Is that sort of a similar outturn we expect at the year or is it a lot about Invensys? Obviously, Invensys is a big component of that. And I think, Emmanuel, you said earlier that you expect to do better in Invensys in H2 on margins. So, question number one is the mix outlook for H2 given Invensys? And the second question, in terms of end market trends, there seem to be - obviously, we've got weak China, weak Russia. What trends - are there different trends between Q2 and Q1? Are there noticeable things ramping up or ramping down? So, for example, was China a lot worse in Q2 - a lot worse in Q2 than Q1? Was Russia worse? Was Europe better? Just a little bit of color on the sequential trends how we're kind of exiting the second quarter. Thank you. Jean-Pascal Tricoire: Yeah. Well, on the 60 basis points, it's [indiscernible]. But it's not only geographies. You have also business there. And it's clear that when you have an Industry, which is a high-margin business, going down in revenue and going down in margin itself because of revenue, let's be quite simple on that one, it's one of the examples where it doesn't help. So, it's a combination of geographies that Emmanuel already mentioned on business. So, on the - to answer your question, I think on geographies, I'm not expecting a huge recovery of China and Russia. Again, we're going to be better or we're going to be helped by easier comps in H2, but I'm not expecting a rebound, a great rebound in H2. I'm expecting rebounds afterwards, but not in H2. But what I mean here is that the 60 basis points are a mix of certain number of things of which there is a mix of our business inside the portfolio. In terms of end-market trends, Russia, not expecting that much changes or at least it's difficult to read, let's say. And we have ourselves quite a lot to do to readjust our operations to the new normal of Russia. In China, again, benefiting from better comps. Clearly, the government is taking care of re-stimulating the economy. People speak at the moment of the stimulation of the capital market, of the stock exchange, but there are more things, but I already spoke about that on certain segments of infrastructure of re-stimulation of the economy. Because clearly nobody wants this economy to go to down - I'm speaking under the control of Anthony, to down in the next coming months. So I would - I would expect some stabilization in China, helped on the top of that by our repositioning on the right segments.
Emmanuel Babeau
Just to complement [ph] Jean-Pascal, on your question on the 100 basis point, when we talk about all the action plan to work on improving our margin, as you can imagine, I mean, we have a big one on Solution. As I said, things can happen in some dimension on the relatively short term. But we know that fixing Solution and especially when we talk about Solution, project equipment which have been taken at a low margin, it takes some time before you see the action taken at the order intake level to flow within your P&L. But yes, certainly to improve the negative impact coming from Solution in the second half is one objective that we have.
Mark Troman
Certainly. And just quickly just to follow up, the Invensys drag, if that's mainly in that mix part of the bridge? Is that fair?
Emmanuel Babeau
Well, actually, you have some impact at the gross margin level which are pretty limited for Invensys. So, it's more the fact that top line and gross margin is about the same. Costs have not decreased at the same speed because we - as we said, we continue to invest and we have one-off element on the top line. So, the biggest driver for negative margin is actually coming from poor absorption of SFC versus the top line. So...
Mark Troman
Okay.
Emmanuel Babeau
...that's where you have the biggest impact.
Mark Troman
Thank you.
Emmanuel Babeau
All right. The next question.
Operator
The next question is from James Moore, Redburn.
James Moore
Yes. Good morning, everyone. I wondered if you could help us with the Solution adjusted EBITA margin in the first half. I guess you're down from the last 12 months of 11% at the end of last year, to something like 7%. But it's something you sized over the years. Could you quantify where we're at the moment? And then back to Invensys, I calculate from your Inc. ex-Invensys numbers that Invensys was down about 12% organically. I'm just trying to think within that, could you say how much the Nuclear impact was and what the margin impact of Nuclear was and how that looks as we go into the second half because there are lots of moving parts in Invensys and I'm finding it perfectly difficult to think about what the second half profitability looks like. And you said you want to be back more to the second-half normal margin... Jean-Pascal Tricoire: James, James...
James Moore
Could you give us an better idea as to what that is? Jean-Pascal Tricoire: It's difficult to get what you say.
Anthony Song
[Indiscernible] Jean-Pascal Tricoire: The line is really breaking. Can you speak slowly, please?
James Moore
Yeah. How much - yes. Jean-Pascal Tricoire: Okay. Can you speak slowly? I'm probably a bit more remote from your...
Emmanuel Babeau
I think I got your question on the Nuclear, but it's true that I'm not very clear on the rest. So... Jean-Pascal Tricoire: I would like to make sure that you understand the question before formulating...
James Moore
The first question is on Solution. What was the margin in first half? The second is, can you size nuclear sales margin impact in Invensys in the first half and how that moves into the second? And in simple terms, what is a normal margin in Invensys in the second half given all the moving parts? Thanks.
Emmanuel Babeau
Right. On the Solution margin in the first half, I mean we'll give it for the full year. Given the way costs are being absorbed and so on, I don't think that at the end of H1, it has sent - it is clear that if we say that we have been losing one point on the gross margin, if for the full year, we had the same kind of impact and taking the assumption that SFC are following top line. That would be a 1 point decrease in the margin quite mathematically. I don't think as I said, I can go beyond that, but I'm certainly happy to recognize that we have lost 1 point on this first half. Now, let's see at the end of the day where we finish. On the Invensys nuclear, so the rundown of the project means a decrease of a bit more than €40 million, €43 million shown to have exactly the number. And that mean something like probably 5% decrease year-on-year for the first half in term of sales. It's coming at a margin which is very weak, but which is not negative. So, I will not say that Nuclear has been the issue of margin evolution in H1. Now, on the normal margin on Invensys, I think that this is certainly the margin that we have seen last year. I mean, we have no reason for us to renounce to what was the margin last year. And even by progressing on software synergies, we think we can further increase. So, beyond the one-off, absolutely nothing is changed on Invensys. And I would say that we are happier than ever on the strategic intent, on the quality of the asset and certainly on the underlying profitability that we see for Invensys. Jean-Pascal Tricoire: Except for investment in R&D for some time.
Emmanuel Babeau
Which was planned, I mean... Jean-Pascal Tricoire: Which was planned but which was not started last year.
Emmanuel Babeau
All right. Next question?
Operator
The next question is from James Stettler, Barclays.
James Stettler
Good morning, gentlemen. Three quick questions. If we look at the earnings bridge in the second half, you're guiding for raw material tailwind, which is much lower in H2 versus H1. Why is that? Question two, how big is Russia now in terms of revenues? I mean, it has remained a drag for quite some time. And then finally, could you quantify, roughly speaking, the level of non-core assets? Are we talking about 5% of the portfolio or is it less than that? Thank you.
Emmanuel Babeau
On the earning bridge, the question was? Jean-Pascal Tricoire: Lower tailwind on RMI.
Emmanuel Babeau
On the RMI. Well, again, I'm not pretending that the around €100 million that we are giving is absolutely scientific. So, please don't blame me if we are above the €100 million at the end of the year. I think there is a likelihood that we could be above the €100 million. There is always some cautiousness that we put in the guidance on this kind of element given the volatility. Now, it is true that you always compare year-on-year and we started to see some decrease in raw mat last year in the second half. You have also the hedging policy which is difficult to read from the outside. So, that's why we are saying, well we expect a nice amount coming from RMI in the second half. Now, we're not quite sure that it's going to be as big as the €77 million of the first half. So, I hope this answer your question. Now, regarding Russia, we are, today, around 3% which exactly at the end of the year was the final forex. We could be a bit below that. But I would say, today, around 3% of sales of the group are Russia. Jean-Pascal Tricoire: On non-core assets, we'll keep you informed. It's not a large part of the portfolio. It's very selective and it's linked to strategic positioning to level of gross, level of profit. So, of course, we'll speak about that when we are making those divestments, but it's really - you know the construction of Schneider has been very centered to the service of a very integrated strategy. So, the number of assets which are non-core is limited.
James Stettler
Great. Thank you.
Emmanuel Babeau
All right. Next question?
Operator
The next question is from Ben Uglow, Morgan Stanley.
Ben Uglow
Hello. Morning, everyone. Thanks for taking the question. I have three and sorry to labor the point on Invensys, but I wanted to make sure I understand the second-half outlook. First of all, I don't think you said this, but I wanted to know if you believe that the topline at Invensys will actually be stabilizing in the second half. So are you basing your forecast on margin on a relatively flat outlook at the topline for Invensys? And that was question number one. Question number two is, and I want to make sure I understood it precisely. There's been roughly a 4 percentage point drop in the margin at Invensys; 2 percentage points down to R&D. The other 2 percentage points, were you saying that that was related to China nuclear, i.e., that the underlying excluding one-offs was stable? Can you just sort of bridge that 4 point gap? And then the final question is, and I guess it's for Jean-Pascal. Can you talk just a little bit more about the temporary integration issues? What are those? Can you give us a little bit more granularity? And is this something that we expect to go away during 2015? Jean-Pascal Tricoire: Right. So, on Invensys, on the topline, on stabilization, so nuclear will keep on shrinking. I mean, it's not the end of phasing out some of the nuclear. Good news that we are resolving it, I would say, in very correct terms. That was one of the big challenges we had in front of the integration. Second part also we still have an activity which is significant in oil and gas, and it depends how oil and gas is going, but we are expecting still a pressure of oil and gas as we keep going. Now, one of the things which is really working of the synergies, of revenue and we are gaining new projects, we are gaining market share. We are not number one in this sector, so there is a space to recreate. So, we are compensating the dynamics - the sluggish dynamics of the oil and gas market typically and complemented by mining market, by the way, by taking market shares at our customers, at our historical customers and in geographies where we operate. So, I remain cautious, but I think H2 would be a less demanding, more favorable base of comparison. We don't have this famous Q1 repeating, but nuclear will still take a toll on H2. On the margin, you said it right, 2% is due to R&D, R&D investment. And the rest is due to the mix of projects under pressure that we had on oil and gas, particularly the valve business is a good margin business, and it was impacted as we wrote by 20% in terms of volume. But I would say in the hundreds of projects that we are managing, it's also a question of execution into a context of low volume. Now, on the integration issues, look, the only thing that I'm saying, I think the part of Invensys has reacted quite well actually beginning of 2015. Will it be software, or will it be the projects, it has been quite good. But while we are doing the integration all of last year, it took a lot of attention of the rest of the industry team, which is something I think I shared with you then during the conference in June. But saying that this kind of integration takes a toll of attention, right, on one, the teams we are doing that, on re-affecting the customers on creating the synergies, there was not enough attention paid to the historical core of Schneider, which is a great business, world leader in terms of market share, well positioned in terms of technology, and in terms of marketing. So now, I would say integration is done, teams put into place. Actually, in most of the market, there has been no disruption. There has been a few cases in few countries. I'm not saying all of the countries. It's really isolated and targeted where there has been some distraction of the teams and this distraction is behind us. So now it's back to us to regenerate the momentum that we should have not lost. But I would say it's difficult to make an integration of that size. Through the size of Schneider, it was limited to the size of the industry business, it's consequent, it's significant and there has been some unavoidable disruption.
Anthony Song
All right. Next question?
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from Daniela Costa, Goldman Sachs.
Daniela Costa
Thank you. I just have one thing left, which is regarding, I guess, and this is two points in the same question. Regarding now how should we think about capital deployment and M&A after AVEVA? And also I think AVEVA elaborated a bit on it on the call they did last week. So, can you talk about why this was not an outright deal and how do you plan to leverage on this going forward on the [indiscernible] basically? Thank you.
Emmanuel Babeau
Capital deployment after AVEVA. Jean-Pascal Tricoire: Your line is bad. I would say to the minimum. So, I understood you are speaking about AVEVA...
Emmanuel Babeau
On the capital deployment. Jean-Pascal Tricoire: On the capital deployment.
Emmanuel Babeau
After AVEVA, yeah. Well, I think that AVEVA would perfectly fit in the kind of bolt-on acquisition that we mentioned given the amount and of course no doubt on the strategic rationale of the project. And I think that we're just absolutely in line with what we announced in February and I will stay on these lines. We could be considering bolt-on acquisition. We talk about what we wanted to do in term of strength of the balance sheet. For the rest, nothing is changed on the dividend policy, on the share buyback. We are absolutely delivering the Schneider is on program, and we are not changing anything in that respect. Jean-Pascal Tricoire: All right. In the interest of time, we'll take one more question.
Anthony Song
Yeah, last question. Jean-Pascal Tricoire: Then we will take the last question. All right. So, next please.
Operator
Thank you. The last question is from William Mackie, Kepler Chevreux. [Operator Instructions]
William Mackie
Yes. Good morning. Thank you for taking this question. I come back to the Infrastructure division for the first question. Can you specify the split now between service and the normal project-related business and the growth related to that service also? And in what timeframe can you now see yourself reaching the target double-digit margin that you have set out? That's the first question. Secondly, coming back to growth on China and oil and gas, you specified in the presentation China was 2 percentage points of decline to the growth this period, which implies about a 16% or 17% year-on-year decline. Can you specify where you see or what you're building into expectations for H2 across the Chinese business? And then within oil and gas, could you specify the level of growth impact that you've incurred in the first half related to the exposure in that vertical? And then perhaps a view on the second half? Thank you. Jean-Pascal Tricoire: Well, I'm not sure I captured your point about the whatever 16% of that...
Emmanuel Babeau
Can I have a go at it? Jean-Pascal Tricoire: Yeah. Please.
Emmanuel Babeau
I'll try. China is around 15% of our sales. We said double-digit decline. So, you are quickly getting to the two points I was mentioning. So, we haven't been declining by 16% to clarify, but that's the way you should be looking at the math on China. Jean-Pascal Tricoire: Yeah. On the gain, we are entering in H2 where the comparison should be less demanding. So, let's not overdo it on China. On Infra, I can't tell you what is or I can - we are working on bringing that business to the level of double-digit. On the service part, we are still very remote from our entitlement in terms of service in the installed base of energy. The part of the installed base that we serve today is minimal with respect to the potential. This is one of the best business that we can and we should and we must and we are developing at China for many reasons that I could develop. So, I see on disciplining - well, first, we sell a lot of products in medium voltage. Two, by the way, network which is common or put together with our low voltage network, an integrated network, so that's one. Second one, we are disciplined our projects. Third one, we have to develop faster our services. It seems like we have been speaking about services for some time but it's only two or three years that we have been really putting an acceleration there. It takes time but I'm very confident on that one. Then on oil and gas, the exposure, as we said at the beginning of the year, is roughly directly 7% of our [indiscernible] directly. But there are some collaterals to that, that means buildings which are constructed around oil and gas installations, countries where the oil and gas revenue is impacting but directly 7%. When I look at the dynamics today, we spoke about the valves, which are minus 20%, in the projects by having a very active approach to gaining market share, we've certainly reduced the decline to a much lower level. Actually, I will say single level, single-digit negative for what regards Invensys. So it's a mixed bag of sluggish market, but at the same time, taking some good projects. So therefore, we've not been impacted to the magnitude of the decrease of revenues. Jean-Pascal Tricoire: With that, I think we have overblown our time. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your attention. We'll keep you posted. We certainly have already started the second half. Thank you. Speak to you soon. Bye.
Anthony Song
Thank You.
Emmanuel Babeau
All right. Thank you. Speak to you soon. Bye.