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Cheniere Energy, Inc. (LNG) Q3 2016 Earnings Call Transcript

Published at 2016-11-03 17:21:17
Executives
Randy Bhatia - Cheniere Energy Partners LP Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc. Anatol Feygin - Cheniere Energy, Inc. Michael J. Wortley - Cheniere Energy, Inc.
Analysts
Bhavesh M. Lodaya - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker) Faisel H. Khan - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker) Christine Cho - Barclays Capital, Inc. Theodore Durbin - Goldman Sachs & Co. James Carreker - USCA Securities LLC Jeremy B. Tonet - JPMorgan Securities LLC Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC Craig K. Shere - Tuohy Brothers Investment Research, Inc. Alex S. Kania - Wolfe Research LLC
Operator
Good morning. My name is Lindsey and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Cheniere Energy, Inc. Third Quarter 2016 Conference Call. Thank you. Mr. Randy Bhatia, Director of Finance and Investor Relations, you may begin your conference. Randy Bhatia - Cheniere Energy Partners LP: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Cheniere Energy's third quarter 2016 earnings conference call. The slide presentation and access to the webcast for today's call can be found on our website located at cheniere.com. Participating on the call this morning are Jack Fusco, Cheniere's President and Chief Executive Officer; Anatol Feygin, Executive Vice President and Chief Commercial Officer, and Michael Wortley, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind all listeners that our remarks, including answers to your questions, may contain forward-looking statements. Actual results could differ materially from what is described in these statements. Slide 2 of our presentation contains a discussion of those forward-looking statements and associated risks. In addition, we may include references to non-GAAP financial measures such as adjusted EBITDA, net loss as adjusted, and net loss per share as adjusted. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP financial measure can be found in the appendix of the slide deck. As part of our discussion on Cheniere Energy, Inc.'s results, today's call may also include selected financial information and results for Cheniere Energy Partners L.P., or CQP, and Cheniere Energy Partners LP Holdings, or CQH. On this call, we do not intend to cover CQP or CQH's results separately from those of Cheniere Energy. After prepared remarks from each of the participating executives, we will open the call for Q&A. As shown on the agenda on slide 3, Jack will begin with an overview of the quarter and then give an update on construction and operating progress at our liquefaction projects. Following Jack's comments, we will hear from Anatol on the market and then from Michael, who will review financial results. I will now turn the call over to Jack. Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Thank you, Randy, and good morning, everyone. I'm pleased to be here today for Cheniere's third quarter 2016 earnings call. I've been CEO of Cheniere now for approximately six months, and since our inaugural call in August, my confidence has only grown in Cheniere as a platform for long-term shareholder value creation. During the quarter, we achieved some operational and financial milestones, and we implemented some internal initiatives that not only demonstrate our ability to execute but also position us for long-term success on multiple fronts. We will cover a number of these items during today's call. Turn to slide 5 for an overview of some operational highlights for the third quarter 2016. The third quarter continued to see Cheniere's transition to commercial operations as we took over care, custody and control of Train 2 at Sabine Pass during the quarter. Lessons learned in the commissioning of Train 1 were applied and resulted in improved and streamlined commissioning process on Train 2. A total of three commissioning cargoes were produced and exported from Train 2 prior to the declaration of substantial completion. Train 2 substantial completion was achieved on September 15, ahead of contractual schedule and on budget. I'd like to take this opportunity to again recognize the efforts of Cheniere employees and our EPC partner Bechtel on the achievement of this milestone and look forward to our continued success as we have begun the commissioning process for Train 3. Consistent with what we highlighted for the second quarter, slide 5 once again highlights revenue, adjusted EBITDA and volumes lifted as metrics, which are important to watch as we track the business going forward. Revenues for the third quarter were $466 million and $712 million year-to-date. Train 1 was in operations nearly the entire quarter. Train 2 achieved substantial completion near the end of the quarter and just ahead of our scheduled maintenance. So, that the vast majority of the LNG sales from that train took place during commissioning, and therefore, were not recognized as revenues during the quarter. Michael will cover this and other details of our financial results later on this call. Adjusted EBITDA was $67.3 million for the quarter and $19.4 million year-to-date. The adjusted EBITDA results for 3Q are a significant tangible result of Cheniere's continued transition into operations. Including the three commissioning cargoes from Train 2, I mentioned earlier, during the third quarter, a total of 18 cargoes were produced and exported from Sabine Pass. To-date, we have exported a total of 36 cargoes from the terminal and they continue to be delivered to markets all over the world. Anatol will provide an update on the global LNG market in a few minutes. Also during the quarter, we continue to execute on our balance sheet strategy of managing our debt maturity profile by terming out bank loan borrowings and capacity into the bond market. We issued 1.5 billion of bonds at our Sabine Pass liquefaction entity during the quarter. The process during 3Q was highlighted by SPL's upgrade to an investment grade credit rating by Standard & Poor's. The investment grade credit rating is an important milestone for the project which we expect to yield significant long-term benefits. Slide 6 provides an update on the construction progress at our LNG projects at Sabine Pass and Corpus Christi. We remain very pleased with the overall progress of construction at Corpus Christi and construction and operations at Sabine Pass. As I mentioned on the last call, our number one priority at the sites is to execute on the construction at our LNG platform safely, on time, and on budget. Highlighting the third quarter once again was the achievement of substantial completion of Train 2 on September 15 after 49 months of construction and commissioning. Also during the quarter, commissioning activities commenced on Train 3 and we expect that train to reach substantial completion in midyear 2017. On all trains, Bechtel continues to progress construction efforts against the contractual scheduled dates, and we at Cheniere remained focused on transitioning the trains from construction management to operations management safely, efficiently, and effectively. Subsequent to the end of the quarter, we completed the required work to the process flares that was discussed on our second quarter call that resulted in approximately a four-week outage at Sabine Pass. The scheduled maintenance outage was completed on schedule and budget. Bechtel completed the flare modification safely and slightly ahead of schedule and planned maintenance was completed on Trains 1 and 2 during the outage. Planned maintenance included preventive maintenance on equipment, planned maintenance on our gas turbines and warranty work, and both trains have returned to full production. With the resumption of commercial operations at Trains 1 and 2, we expect to commence BG Shell's 20-year contract later this month. Turning to slide 7, you'll see the near-term goals that were laid out on the second quarter call. There have been a number of announcements we made over the last few months. Many of them addressing our progress on achieving these goals. While we don't intend to review these goals each quarter, we made a tremendous amount of progress during this quarter and I would like to review a few key successes here, which demonstrate our commitment to achieving these goals. Operationally, I've already discussed the success we experienced at Sabine Pass during the quarter with the achievement of substantial completion at Train 2. We look forward to continuing to apply lessons learned as we commission future trains at our projects. With regard to production. We continue to be encouraged by the performance of the trains thus far, though it remains too early to adjust any expectations with regard to run-rate production as we are continuing our performance testing and tuning. Financially, ratings momentum continued at SPL as we achieved our first investment grade rating during the quarter and on the heels of that, we were able to refinance a portion of the SPL credit facility at attractive rate. As well, we are pursuing a proposed corporate structure simplification by offering LNG shares in a stock-for-stock exchange with CQH for those shares of CQH that we do not already own. Also, we have completed the company's first zero-based budgeting process with a focus on financial discipline, and Michael will share with you some of the initial results of that undertaking. On the commercial front, we continue to successfully monetize commissioning cargoes and pursue incremental long-term contracts necessary to support the financing of our next trains, Corpus Christi Train 3 and Sabine Pass Train 6. From a higher level, we are also pursuing a number of initiatives along the LNG value train, leveraging our core capabilities on the LNG platform, which I'll touch on in a moment, and Anatol will provide some additional context on that in his comments. Finally, during the quarter, we implemented some organizational changes, highlighted by our new executive leadership team and defining our mission, vision and values. These changes represent a natural evolution for the company as we continue to move into operations. Our organizational structure should be not thought of as static, rather we will continuously look for ways to best align our organizational structure and philosophy with those of our shareholders. As a result of some of these changes implemented during the third quarter, we expect more cross-functional communication between the groups. And importantly, there is now a more direct reporting line between me and our liquefaction projects. These changes and any future changes we may consider over time will be driven by our vision to be recognized as a premier global LNG company. Turning to slide 8, I'd like to point out a few strategic initiatives that are underway at the company. I've been clear in my communications that we won't stray from our core competencies in LNG when it comes to project development, and I'd like to touch on two initiatives underway that leverage those core competencies and we think will enable us to compete and win incremental business along the LNG value chain. At the core of these development initiatives is our belief in the long-term demand growth profile for energy and specifically LNG. At a recent conference of global LNG players, international consulting firm McKinsey forecasted an over 20% growth in primary energy demand between 2013 and 2035 with the power and industry sectors, those where LNG can play a significant role expected to account for nearly 75% of the total growth. Over a similar period of time, LNG demand growth is expected to far outpace competing fuels such as gas, oil and coal, as you can see from the graphic on the right side. The compounded annual growth rate for LNG worldwide is forecast to be over 4.5% over the next 15 years. Against this backdrop of long-term energy demand growth which supports sustained LNG market penetration, we remain extremely bullish on the need for incremental liquefaction capacity and in our position on the cost curve to compete and win. First, we have made a commitment to evaluating a midscale LNG solution. We have recently completed a competitive bidding process and have awarded a FEED contract to a consortium comprised of KBR, Siemens and Chart Industries. We are evaluating the true opportunities from smaller scale LNG plants with regard to their commercial, regulatory and logistical feasibility and, of course, cost. As the market leader in U.S. LNG, we expect to be able to consistently deliver a competitively priced product to our customers. Corpus Christi Train 3 and Sabine Pass Train 6 are expected to be cost competitive as they will leverage significant in-place infrastructure, but we are evaluating this opportunity for our growth beyond those two brownfield projects. While we aren't able to provide a significant amount of detail on the project development at this stage, we expect to be able to determine whether to pursue Midscale as a strategy sometime in the middle of 2017. Next, as we have discussed, we are willing to make investments in infrastructure along the LNG value chain to extend its support of core LNG business. Downstream of liquefaction, you are all aware of El Campesino, our project development in Chile, which I covered on the second quarter call. In addition to the downstream opportunity, we are pursuing a project upstream of this site as well. A domestic pipeline project called MIDSHIP that if built will support long-term gas supply efforts for both Sabine Pass and Corpus Christi by debottlenecking, an otherwise take away capacity constrained resource in the Anadarko Basin, by connecting it to some of our existing long-term pipeline transport capacity. Cheniere has a demonstrated track record and pipeline development at both projects and our liquefaction terminals provide an attractive demand source for gas producers. And finally, we indicated on our last call that we would host an Analyst Investor Day in 2017. It will be held here in Houston and we are currently targeting April 19. We will send more information as we get closer to that date, and I look forward to seeing many of you there. With that, I will now turn the call over to Anatol to give an update on the market. Anatol Feygin - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Thanks, Jack, and good morning, everyone. Turning to slide 10, I'd like to provide an update on the current market environment. Through the third quarter, Global LNG volumes are up 7% year-over-year with continued strong demand from India, China and new consumption from the Middle East and Pakistan, more than offsetting reduced volumes from the established markets of Japan, South Korea, and Brazil. LNG demand from China and India has continued to surprise to the upside. China's LNG imports are up nearly 30% year-over-year through the end of the third quarter. While the uptick is in part due to Chinese buyers absorbing new contractual LNG volumes from Australian plants, the country's overall gas demand has grown by about 8% through the end of August as gas demand growth rate is outpacing China's 6.5% to 7% GDP growth for the year, a turnaround from last year. Indian LNG buyers, through the end of September, reached the highest quarterly total on record. Indian LNG buyers both existing and new importers have been buying short-term volumes to supplement their long-term purchases. Competitive LNG prices, declining domestic supply, and the government's focus on stimulating gas use in the power sector have underpinned the 35% increase in LNG imports. While global pricing remains off the highs seen several years ago, LNG markets tightened modestly through the quarter with strong summer demand in the northern hemisphere at a time of production shortages driven by force majeure in Nigeria and declining legacy production in Trinidad and Tobago. Increased supply from Australia and the United States has been absorbed by the market with LNG imports into Europe up about 8% through the end of September. Total gas demand in Europe is expected to grow by roughly 6% this year. Against that backdrop, commissioning volumes, mainly cargoes made available on very short notice from Sabine Pass Train 2 were sold at premium netbacks to prevailing European pricing with cargoes delivered to India and South America. As we highlighted last quarter, we believe there is a secular shift to clean up burning natural gas and power generation. And in places like the United Kingdom, the combination of a carbon price floor and an almost doubling of coal prices has driven coal almost entirely out of the merit order to natural gas's advantage. For two days in May this year, the UK did not use coal and power generation for the first time since the Industrial Revolution. Current coal use is lowest in the UK since at least 1860. We've seen initial signs that the same theme will play out in Continental Europe with gas demand continued to grow in places like Germany and France. In the third quarter, German and French combined gas demand in the power sector more than doubled year-over-year. Importantly, we believe this fuel switching is sticky and once shut down, all the coal plants are unlikely to return to surface. Please turn to slide 11. Over the longer term, we expect these trends to structurally impact demand as supply reliability, availability, and the increasing liquidity in the LNG market stimulate price elastic demand and attract new importers. Currently under construction, liquefaction capacity supports the demand outlook until early next decade, after which point, a potential supply demand gap emerges. The strong demand from China and India we are currently witnessing is expected to continue as well as additional demand coming from 30 new markets currently evaluating LNG import options. During this past quarter, five new markets were enabled by floating infrastructure: Ghana, Jamaica, Colombia, Malta and Abu Dhabi. Abu Dhabi started importing during the quarter with the others expected to follow this year or early 2017. Abu Dhabi is the second LNG import terminal operating in the United Arab Emirates driven by its push to displace liquids and power generation. The continued swift emergence of new importers could tighten the market sooner than expected. Moving to slide 12, based on historical cyclicality of the LNG market over the past dozen or so years, a slowdown in the number of final investment decisions by new liquefaction capacity has been followed by a tightening of supply. We've started to see a pullback in a number of LNG trains being sanctioned over the past two years with only one expansion train officially moving forward so far in 2016. This is clearly setting up a scenario where the LNG market will tighten dramatically by the end of the decade. If customers need supply for early next decade given the lead time even for our fully permitted brownfield expansion trains, a final investment decision on new liquefaction capacity would need to come in 2017. With two fully permitted brownfield expansion trains as well as midscale modular solutions that we'll discuss in a minute under evaluation and the experience to efficiently manage U.S. gas supply needs, Cheniere has the speed and competitiveness to be the next LNG to market. Now, turn to slide 13, as Jack mentioned earlier, we have two new strategic initiatives to discuss with you. First, we're evaluating the merits of building smaller modular liquefaction trains and have awarded a FEED contract to a consortium comprised of KBR, Siemens and Chart. The FEED process will help us to assess the cost benefits, if any, of building liquefaction trains using a modular and more standardized approach to drive capital costs lower through off-site controlled environment manufacturer of significant components. We expect to be in a position to share more information on this modular liquefaction initiative with you sometime in the middle of 2017. Second, we're developing an approximately 340 mile residue gas pipeline from Central Oklahoma to Northeast Texas designed to provide up to 1.4 bcf a day of takeaway capacity from the prolific and low-cost STACK and SCOOP plays in the Anadarko Basin. The pipeline will help to serve the gas needs of both the Sabine Pass and Corpus Christi LNG terminals by connecting the STACK and SCOOP basins into existing Sabine and Corpus Christi contracted and owned pipeline infrastructure. Cheniere would manage both construction operations of the pipeline project, and we're targeting approximately $750 million a day of 10-year take-or-pay shipper capacity commitments prior to launching a binding Open Season. These growth projects leverage our core competencies in LNG and pipeline project development. As we continue to move through the development process, we will update the market with additional information. We'd also like to provide you with an update on our Chilean LNG-to-power project. This project encompasses a new LNG receiving terminal, floating storage and regasification unit, associated pipeline and an approximately 600-megawatt gas-fired combined-cycle power plant. The plant is underpinned by 15-year power purchase agreements with Chilean public distribution companies. The PPAs were awarded in the Chilean public energy auctions. The power plant will purchase LNG from Cheniere Marketing International through a 15-year take-or-pay LNG sale and purchase agreement. The LNG will be delivered to the terminal, regasified and then transported to the power plant. The power plant has contracted for about 25% of the regas terminal's capacity with the remaining balance available for incremental commercial opportunities. We're currently at 50% owner of the receiving terminal, and at FID, we will own 10% of the integrated project, including the power plant. The appeal periods pertaining to the environmental permits for the power plant and the terminal ended last month. Cheniere along with its Chilean partner, Am EDF (22:32) is in the process of finalizing the financing with the expectation of reaching FID on this project in the fourth quarter. With that, I will now turn the call over to Michael to review financial results. Michael J. Wortley - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Thanks, Anatol, and good morning, everyone. I'm pleased to announce our financial results for the third quarter of 2016, a summary of which can be found on slide 15. Train 1 was in commercial operations for almost the entire third quarter. It was brought down for the flare work near the end of the quarter and therefore we saw significant progress in our financial results. It's exciting and rewarding to begin to see our financial results transition as Sabine Pass is entering commercial service. We're also excited about moving the company forward and articulating our financial strategy with a long-term goal of value creation through a disciplined capital allocation philosophy. As a reminder, Cheniere Energy consolidates the results of Cheniere Energy Partners, CQP, and Cheniere Partners Holdings, CQH. For the third quarter 2016, we report a consolidated revenue of $466 million compared to $67 million in the corresponding 2015 period. Revenue recognized from LNG sales for the second quarter of 2016 was approximately $400 million. Before moving on, I'd like to once again provide some information about our cargo sales during the third quarter as it relates to revenue recognition. During the third quarter, we loaded and exported 18 cargoes and sold nearly $350 million worth of LNG produced at Sabine Pass Liquefaction or SPL. Three of the 18 cargoes were loaded to substantial completion of Train 2. As a reminder, proceeds from the sale of commissioning cargoes are not reflected on the income statement rather they are recorded as an offset to construction and process on the balance sheet because these amounts were earned prior to our taking over care, custody, and control of Train 2. LNG cargoes on future trains will be treated in the same manner. It may be difficult to model our revenue accurately and tie out our reported revenue to production in the upcoming quarters as we continue to commission trains at Sabine Pass. In addition, we can recognize revenue on the income statement without corresponding production from SPL as Cheniere marketing can sell cargoes purchased from other supply sources. We loaded 15 cargoes at SPL during the third quarter which are reflected on the income statement. Those commercial cargoes were lifted primarily by BG Shell under their contract that gives them access to early volumes produced prior to DSCD at the contract price of 115% of Henry Hub plus $2.25 and by CMI. Similar to the second quarter, since Train 2 reached substantial completion during the third quarter, several other line items in addition to revenue were impacted as a result. Certain operating expense line items previously capitalized during construction have begun to be expensed. Depreciation and amortization expense increased during the period as we began depreciating assets related to Train 2 upon reaching substantial completion. In addition, SG&A expense decreased by approximately 37% compared to the third quarter 2015 driven primary by roll-off of certain stock-based compensation expense, restructuring efforts initiated in late 2015, and a reduction in certain professional service fees. Furthermore, included in the SG&A line item, our aggregate share-based compensation expenses for the three and nine months ended September 30, 2016 of approximately $7.5 million and $31.2 million, respectively. Amounts remaining under these legacy grants will be recognized over the next approximately year and a half and thereafter we expect more normalized run rate levels to prevail. As you may have noticed for the third quarter, we have recombined marketing expense with G&A and present selling, general, and administrative expense. This change was made so that the presentation of these expenses was consistent with how we view the business. Expenses associated with our marketing effort are a necessity of our core business rather than an independent or stand-alone entity. During the third quarter, we recognized about $25 million in restructuring expenses. These expenses are primarily related to share base compensation, severance, and employee-related cost under restructuring and operational efficiency initiatives initiated in late 2015. These initiatives are ongoing and are expected to be substantially completed by the end of the year. While we won't be introducing new run-rate guidance across the board on this call, I can say that our recently completed zero-based budgeting process has given us some increased visibility into our projected run-rate SG&A. The process was focused on financial discipline and coincided with some of the organizational realignment Jack spoke about a few minutes ago. This process has enabled us to identify and eliminate some areas of inefficient or redundant spending. And the result will be a reduction in our run-rate SG&A guidance from $300 million to approximately $200 million in both cases excluding stock compensation expense. We expect to give more comprehensive guidance at our Analyst Day in April. Net loss attributable to common stockholders was $100.4 million or $0.44 per share compared to the corresponding 2015 period of $297.8 million or $1.31. Impacting earnings during the third quarter were significant items totaling approximately $7 million. These significant items related to derivative gains primarily due to changes in LIBOR over the period, loss on early extinguishment of debt related to the SPL refinancing, changes in fair value of our commodity derivatives, restructuring expense and amortization of the beneficial conversion feature related to the class B units issued by CQP in 2012. The management of our consolidated balance sheet continues to drive much of the impact to EPS and investors should expect EPS results to continue to be influenced by such financing-related items for the foreseeable future. As such, we also report adjusted EBITDA and net income as adjusted which excludes these items. Additional detail on the impact of these items can be found in the reconciliation tables in the appendix of the slide deck. Adjusted EBITDA for the three and nine months ended September 30, 2016 was $67.3 million and $19.4 million compared to a loss of $51.5 million and $138 million for the comparable 2015 period. With regard to liquidity as of September 30, 2016, we had unrestricted cash and cash equivalents at Cheniere of approximately $1 billion. On slide 16, I'd like to discuss some highlights from the third quarter on key finance initiatives that are underway. These have all been touched on already, but I'd like to provide a bit more insight into each. First, during the third quarter, SPL received its first investment grade credit rating when S&P upgraded the entity to BBB- from BB+. This is significant for a number of reasons. First and foremost and perhaps most obviously, we expect investment grade ratings to give SPL access to the investment grade market, which features significantly more debt than the high-yield market, fixed income products and tenders which can better match the tender of our long-term foundation customer LNG contracts. This is important as we formulate a long-term deleveraging strategy at SPL. Second, and perhaps less obvious, are the operational benefits of investment grade ratings we expect to realize. Currently, a majority of the $1.2 billion of working capital facility we had at SPL is reserved for letters of credit related to gas procurement activities at the terminal and third-party transport infrastructure. With investment grade ratings, we expect a significant reduction in these LC postings. We are in active dialogue with the rating agencies and look forward to the achievement of the second IG rating over the coming months. We have structured our project financings with investment grade credit metrics and look forward to achieving further investment grade ratings at both Sabine Pass and Corpus Christi over time. Shortly after S&P upgraded SPL to BBB-, we launched a bond offering at SPL where we were able to place $1.5 billion aggregate principal amount of senior secured notes due 2027 which priced at par to yield 5%, our lowest coupon at SPL thus far. Pro forma for that issuance, there's approximately $2 billion left on the SPL term loan. To date, we have issued $11.5 billion of bond at SPL with a weighted average coupon of approximately 5.65%. We will continue to be opportunistic in terming out the bank facilities at both projects to better align our maturity profile with projected annual EBITDA levels. A summary of our current consolidated debt maturity profile can be found in the appendix. Pro forma for the repayment of the SPLNG bonds later this month with proceeds from the CQP bank facility. There will be no maturities in the Cheniere complex until 2020. For a few quarters now, we've discussed our openness to exploring opportunities to simplify our corporate structure to reduce complexity for debt and equity investors to the extent it makes economic sense for our shareholders. As previously reported during the third quarter, we made an offer to the board of CQH for those shares of CQH that we do not already own in a stock-for-stock exchange. We believe this proposed transaction is beneficial to shareholders of both LNG and CQH. You'll appreciate that we cannot get in to more detail than what we have previously reported publicly on this subject as we are in ongoing negotiations with the conflicts committee of the CQH board. There can be no assurance that such discussions with result in a transaction. Finally, as I mentioned earlier, the zero-based budgeting process we recently concluded has given increased visibility into a lower projected run rate SG&A level. This process was focused on financial discipline, not specifically cost cutting, and we were able to identify and eliminate some redundant or inefficient cost as we align our spending with a streamlined organization. We're focused on growth initiatives discussed earlier and look forward to achieving our long-term goals while remaining disciplined in our spending. With that, we'd like to thank you for your time today and your interest in Cheniere, and we look forward to updating you on our next call. Operator, we're now ready to open the line for questions.
Operator
Your first question comes from the line of Bhavesh Lodaya from Credit Suisse. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Bhavesh M. Lodaya - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker): Hi. Good morning. Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Good morning. Bhavesh M. Lodaya - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker): So, first follow-on, there's a Midscale liquefaction project, congrats on the announcement. Could you give us more color on what kind of contract structures and percentage of (33:07) the marketing of spot volumes you expect on this trend? And also how's the permitting process for these? Can you use an existing Sabine Pass T6 and Corpus T3 approvals for these plants? Anatol Feygin - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Hi. Thanks for the question. This is Anatol. So, one thing that we'd like to take this opportunity to discuss is kind of the separation between the marketing of LNG and ensuring that we have the best cost structure possible to supply those opportunities. So, what we're doing here today is, as Jack mentioned, beyond our efforts with the Train 3 and potentially Train 6 that are fully permitted, and we believe will offer some of the lowest cost opportunities for incremental LNG supply. And at this point, we're cautiously optimistic that this midscale effort will yield a similar or perhaps an improved cost structure. We will be very disciplined in how we prosecute incremental liquefaction facilities. We will continue to have term contracts and offtakes. But given the modular design and the smaller minimum efficiency scale of these plants, it is possible that we have additional degrees of freedom in how we finance them. So, it's too early to tell. We'll know more once we move through the process of really running this opportunity through its paces. As we mentioned a couple times, we'll do a lot more by the time the middle of 2017 rolls around, and we expect that the contract structures will be somewhat more flexible, but we're not going to have a meaningful amount of merchant exposure regardless of what technology we pursue. Bhavesh M. Lodaya - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker): Thanks. And is it fair to assume this Midscale liquefaction and the MIDSHIP, both these products as of now, are at the LNG level? Anatol Feygin - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: That's correct. Bhavesh M. Lodaya - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker): Okay. Maybe my final point on – question on MIDSHIP is could you maybe talk about what are the returns or targeted return profile you're expecting from the MIDSHIP project? And also, were there any other areas in the U.S. midstream you were considering before you decided on the MIDSHIP project? Anatol Feygin - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Yes. So, maybe – this is Anatol again. Maybe just to take a step back. This is a potential component in our supply portfolio. As you're well aware, we're going to be a very large buyer of molecules to feed both facilities. We already have a very large portfolio of firm capacity delivering into both facilities. This will augment that and will give us a potentially increased diversification and degrees of freedom of where to source molecules. Right now, we have, again, a large portfolio already in place. This moves us towards the west, if you will, in terms of shifting our center mass for where these molecules come from. And right now, we think that this is incrementally one of the most attractive residue gas opportunities in the country. As you are well aware, the basin's economics are driven primarily by liquids with a very large residue gas cut and we like the durability of this resource and the ability to access it and feed it into an infrastructure that we currently own and control. So, we're constantly on a lookout. We talked to literally every major producer in the country and as new opportunities present themselves to debottleneck and move more molecules to the plants, given the volumes that we will be purchasing, we'll continue to evaluate such options. Bhavesh M. Lodaya - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker): Got it. Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Mike, do you have anything to add? Michael J. Wortley - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: In terms of returns, as we think about financing this project, I'm really comfortable with our liquidity position right now as it relates to the seven trains we have under construction and we're fully financed in that regard. As we look at incremental projects, I think it's too early to for us to start allocating some of that liquidity to growth. So, we'll be looking to really third-party finance this project and we kicked off a private equity process many months ago. This week, we got a round of indications and I think there's a huge bid for this kind of product – infrastructure underpinned by long-term capacity contracts. So, I'd say from a rate of return basis, I think the market's finding it pretty attractive. But we'll be relatively capital light on this project. At least this one. Not large capital commitments really until 2018, but for now that's our position. Bhavesh M. Lodaya - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker): Okay. Thank you, guys. Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Thank you.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Faisel Khan from Citigroup. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Faisel H. Khan - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker): Yeah. Good morning. It's Faisel Khan from Citigroup. I just wanted to understand on CQH. I know you can't talk about some of the details around the transaction. But is there a shareholder vote that's needed to complete that transaction? Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Yeah. The LLC agreement calls for a shareholder vote. Yes. Faisel H. Khan - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker): Okay. And is it for the entire – is your 80% that you own part of that vote? Or is it just the 20% of minority holders? Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: The former. Faisel H. Khan - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker): Okay. So, it's the entire ownership position that votes. And so, if it's more than 50% then that's it? Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: That's right. Faisel H. Khan - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker): Okay. Understood. In terms of the priority of cash flows, as they come through as each train ramps up, have you guys thought about exactly like what's the – how you're going to balance the need to pay down debt ? And how much capital you return to shareholders versus how you're thinking about building a pipeline? How is that sort of thought process evolving? And where should we think about the priority of cash flows? Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Yeah. I mean, as I said right now, the priority of cash flows is to – early cash flows go back into the projects. That's how we finance them from day one. So, Train 1, 2, 3 cash flow is really directed to finishing Trains 4 and 5. That was the source of cash like I said from day one. And that's $2 billion, $2.5 billion. So, that's going to be the first priority. And then we have another $1 billion we have to put into Corpus. So, all of that is set up right now with the liquidity and cash flows that we foresee. So, that's where we're going to be for the next year or two. So, we don't really have much to think about in terms of incremental capital allocation whether it's – and we don't have any debt coming due for a long time in any case. But as it relates to dividends and investing in MIDSHIP, really, I think – as I said earlier, that capital is really spoken for for now. Faisel H. Khan - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker): Okay. And Michael, how do you – what do you think is the right sort of debt-to-EBITDA ratio for the company in the long run? So, as I look at your sort of cash flows ramp up and they mature, how should I look at the balance sheet over the long run on a debt-to-EBITDA basis? Sorry. Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Yeah. We start with a project. The metric that matters to us into the rating agencies because we have two very large projects debt service coverage ratio over the life of the contracts. That's the key metric they care about. And debt-to-EBITDA is then a derivative of managing the DSCR. So, our projects are in the 1.6 (40:46) neighborhood, which is deeply into investment grade land. So, that's why we always say our projects were finance investment grade, just a matter of time before they get there and we saw that with SPL. So, we target 1.5, 1.6 (41:02) at the project and that turns into a consolidated leverage ratio of what's that – six or seven times, which looks high, but it isn't because you got to really focus because of our long-dated contracts, you got to focus on that fully amortizing the SCR. So, six or seven on a consolidated basis is where we'll be for a while. Faisel H. Khan - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker): Okay. Makes sense. And then on the modular LNG FEED contract, how many dollars are you going to allocate to this FEED study and contract? Michael J. Wortley - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: It's not much. It's singles of millions of dollars for the FEED. Faisel H. Khan - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker): Okay. Okay. And then, in terms of marketing Train 6 at Sabine and Train 3 at Corpus Christi, is there a marketing team in place? And I know there's been some departures within the management team over the last several months. I just want to understand what's the process in terms of going out and marketing those volumes to new customers? Anatol Feygin - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Thanks, Faisel. It's Anatol. No. Absolutely, we have a full origination team in place really all over the globe. We've staffed up in Asia. We have tremendous resources in London, Houston and some in Latin America. We feel very good about our ability to cover the globe and the opportunity set with the team in place. As with any evolution as we've discussed as we transition from the development to operation, there's some optimization involved, but we have not cut into any muscle and have the right people in place to capture the opportunities. Faisel H. Khan - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker): Okay. And in terms of the – Trains 1 and 2 are ramped up now but how are you guys looking at the future nominations? I believe your customers have to sort of give you those nominations a few months ahead of time. How are you guys looking at – what is the future demand in terms of overall capacity for Trains 1 and 2, given your current nominations? Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: I'm not really sure I understand that question. Can you... Faisel H. Khan - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker): Sure. So, each Train is 4.5 million tons per annum and I believe your customers have to tell you ahead of time how much gas they need to load out of each one of those facilities. So, I was just trying to understand is over the next few months, what percentage of that capacity is going to be utilized? Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Okay. So, now I understand what you're saying. So, we haven't given and that information is competitive information, so the customers have filed their ADP schedules with us, so we know when their ships are coming and what the expectation is for loading. But we haven't given out any other forecast information of what we may do with the excess cargoes if that what's you're asking. Faisel H. Khan - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker): Okay. Got it. Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: And if I could, sorry, but you're – I need to move on. Faisel H. Khan - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker): I've asked too many questions. I'll go back in the queue. That's fine. Thanks, Jack. Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Yes.
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Your next question comes from the line of Christine Cho with Barclays. Your line is now open. Christine Cho - Barclays Capital, Inc.: Hi, everyone. So, I actually wanted to go back to this pipeline. Would you go forward with just the 750 MMcf/d that you have contracted or you would really like to see other contracts on it? And just given that there are a number of midstream players who have talked about wanting to build the gas pipes out of the STACK SCOOP, I know, Michael, you talked about private equity being interested, but I mean, should we think that you're open to either doing like a JV with another midstream partner or selling interest in yours? Anatol Feygin - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Hey, Christine. It's Anatol. And perhaps, Michael will chime in as well. But again, we approach all of these gas supply decisions, and in a robust fashion, we evaluate buy versus build opportunities. The 750 MMcf/d, to answer the first part of your question, is the amount that we would need to go to a binding Open Season. The project would be scaled at that point for attractive jurisdictional returns. That is something, as Michael said, that there is a tremendous interest in for a number of reasons. We, as well as our partners, would like to see a larger pipeline built pointed at TexOak (46:05), and our supply portfolio there. So, we think there's very good opportunity for capturing additional commitments and we think that pointing those SCOOP and STACK volumes in the southeast direction is really optimal for the producers to reach the growing market in the Gulf Coast. So, we're very optimistic. Again the 750 MMcf/d, we think, is just the starting point and is something that we think both producers and the market will find attractive. So, we before we embark on this process, which has been – we've been at it for better part of the year, we did evaluate dozens of other opportunities and again this is something that we are very comfortable with and confident is the right solution to be dialed in. And again, as Michael said, we have tremendous interest from sponsors that will minimize our financial commitment and will allow us to get the molecules into the right market for us. Christine Cho - Barclays Capital, Inc.: Okay. Great. And then, the modular stuff that you're looking at, you guys said 9.5 mtpa. But I was just curious, how large is each modular train and would you kind of – if successful, would you kind of build them one by one, so it's not necessarily like you need a big push in that 9.5 mtpa day one to move forward with one train? How should we be thinking about that? Anatol Feygin - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Yeah. Thanks, Christine. So, again this is a modular design. We're still early in evaluating the – again, the minimum efficiency scale here is something between 1 million tons and 1.5 million tons and the attractiveness here is we'll be able to dispatch them as we successfully commercialize them. That's the whole idea behind this, the 9.5 happens to be a number that matches well with lots of other components in how we think about how we grow the business beyond Train 3 and Train 6. Christine Cho - Barclays Capital, Inc.: Okay. And then there was some news about one of your neighbors experiencing some sizable delays on their LNG project due to the flooding. It sounded like it was an issue that was specific to them, but can you just verify that there is no impact to Bechtel facilities and workforce as well as your facility from similar issues? A – [062BT4-E Jack Fusco]>: That's right, Christine. We have no impact for Bechtel or for our facilities like they did at one of the competitors' facility. So, we're very pleased with our relationship with Bechtel. We're pleased that Bechtel has built the majority of these liquefaction facilities around the world. And we intend to meet all of our commitments and get these trains on budget, on schedule, et cetera. Christine Cho - Barclays Capital, Inc.: Thank you.
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Our next question comes from the line of Ted Durbin with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Theodore Durbin - Goldman Sachs & Co.: Thanks. Can you tell us how many marketing cargoes or how much marketing volume you lifted this quarter and were they all liquefied at Sabine Pass? Anatol Feygin - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: So, the cargoes that were lifted as part of the commissioning process by Cheniere Marketing which, as Michael said, are not effectively are not reflected in our revenues, we had three of those before commercial operations. In terms of other commercial activity by Cheniere Marketing, it's not something that we want to give any additional detail on at this time. Theodore Durbin - Goldman Sachs & Co.: Okay. Can you give us – I was a little bit unclear on the El Campesino moving to FID. Do you have full regulatory approval for that project or not? Anatol Feygin - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: We do. We do. We have permits issued both for the terminal as well as the power plant. Theodore Durbin - Goldman Sachs & Co.: Okay. So, what's next then in terms of FID? You're comfortable with the returns and other things? What's left then? Anatol Feygin - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Absolutely. Well, what's left is reams and reams of documents and agreements, and of course, most importantly, the financing. Theodore Durbin - Goldman Sachs & Co.: Okay. Got it. And then if I could just do one more on the CapEx itself for all the Trains. Can you just give us an update on where you are in terms of the change orders? I know you said you're on time on budget. Have you reserved enough versus where you're tracking? And then if you could give us a sense of the actual CapEx spend as you look into 2017 and 2018, if you could put a dollar number on that. Michael J. Wortley - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Sure. I mean, on the contingency side, we're still very comfortable, and we don't really give that number out month-to-month or quarter-to-quarter. But it's substantial at SPL and it's really substantial at Corpus still. I mean, really, close to what we started with, and we're 40% into that project or so. So, we're feeling good about contingency. In terms of CapEx next year, it's a couple of billion dollars if you include IDC and financing cost for SPL next year, Corpus will be a little north of $2 billion, closer to $2.4 billion. So, $4.4 billion next year CapEx. Then it starts to roll off a bit. 2018 looks more like $3 billion in total. Theodore Durbin - Goldman Sachs & Co.: That's perfect. Thank you very much. Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: All right, Ted. Thank you.
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Our next question comes from the line of James Carreker with U.S. Capital Advisers. Your line is now open. James Carreker - USCA Securities LLC: Hi. Most of my questions have been answered. Thank you. Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: All right, James.
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Our next question comes from the line of Jeremy Tonet with JPMorgan. Your line is now open. Jeremy B. Tonet - JPMorgan Securities LLC: Good morning. Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Hi, Jeremy. Jeremy B. Tonet - JPMorgan Securities LLC: Jack, you've made some kind of swift progress here in terms of wringing (52:22) out some efficiencies. I'm just wondering if you could expand a bit more as far as other opportunities that you've been seeing here, and how we should think about that as we head forward. Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Well, yes, thanks, Jeremy. First off, it's been a fantastic opportunity for me personally these past six months. It's been rewarding, interesting, getting to know the Cheniere professionals has been fantastic. We've had a lot of irons in the hopper. And so, we've been pulling on a lot of different levers. I'm looking forward to stabilizing the organization and really seeing what this team is capable of. So, I'm very, very excited about our future going forward, and I'm extremely excited to be working with this group of professionals because we all seem to be communicating very well. And we're all focused, I think, on the right things, which is building the existing trains, operating the existing trains and then growing this business. But thanks for the recognition. This group's been working really hard these past few months. Jeremy B. Tonet - JPMorgan Securities LLC: Great. And then building on one of the earlier questions. One of your competitors announced construction delays. How do you see this impacting you as far as do you see opportunities for Cheniere that arise from this development, whether it'd be marketing or attracting new business or in any other way? Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Well, first, Jeremy, thank you. And I guess I'd just give a shout-out if they need help with some LNG, Cheniere is ready and willing and able to provide themselves or their customers with a few tank loads of LNG if they need it. But other than that, I'm not sure we need – there's anything I could say or it's not what we're experiencing ourselves. Jeremy B. Tonet - JPMorgan Securities LLC: Fair enough. Thanks for that. I'll step back in the queue and give other people a chance. Thanks. Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Okay. Thanks.
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Our next question comes from the line of Fotis Giannakoulis with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open. Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Yes. Good morning, gentlemen, and thank you. I would like to ask you about the recent development in LNG prices, the $7 per MMBtu is significantly higher what we saw this year. What do you think is driving that and how sustainable it is? And if you can also discuss whether prices can affect the FID of Train 6 of Sabine Pass or even the midscale, whether you can take FID without offtakes just by hedging the gas prices right now that they have moved much higher than earlier this year? Anatol Feygin - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Hey, Fotis. It's Anatol. Yeah. Thanks for the question. Yeah. The pricing has been very robust. I will give a shout-out to the teams on both sides of the plant that have sourced gas very efficiently and effectively and have marketed those volumes as you guys can see from the DOE reports effectively as well. I will say, you and I have discussed this in the past, anyone who thinks that price elastic supply and price elastic demand takes a decade to rebalance, I disagree with. And I think that's a large part of what we're seeing here, we're seeing it in the coal market. And we're seeing it in the LNG market. We've had dramatic increase in imports, increased utilization of existing infrastructure, and this is coming at a time when we're delivering volumes into the market, and on our math, almost 2/3 of this wave of Australian LNG has come online. Now, you can say that the trains aren't in aggregate running at capacity, which is fair, but the market has very effectively absorbed these volumes and I don't think you had a lot of people, a year ago, prognosticating this rally in European gas prices. So, as you said, the NBP minus 115% of Henry Hub is popping up around $4 now. And that is certainly good for our business and continues to position Henry Hub as a supply source very attractively. Now, your next question of, is it hedgeable for term and is it something that we would use to underwrite our expansion opportunities, the answer on that is no. We would need term contracts with credit-worthy counterparties. And if there's a large portfolio player that is emboldened enough to go into the market and attempt to lock in this spread which, as you know, as well as anyone isn't all that liquid beyond a relatively short period. We'll be happy to supply into that, that contracted capacity, but we would need term and credit in order to FID incremental liquefaction. Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Thank you, Anatol. Just one follow-up. What would be the minimum amount that you would need to get enough take for the midscale opportunity that you are discussing? Anatol Feygin - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Well, Fotis, thanks, again, it's early to tell because we are still kicking the tires, of course, and evaluating with our partners what the size and cost structure is. But to the extent that we're right and that this minimum efficiency scale number is somewhere in the 1 million tons to 1.5 million tons range, and we can opportunistically add this capacity in smaller increments, I would say, as a guide post, you can think about kind of 2/3 to 3/4 of that capacity being committed under term sales in order for us to move forward. I think we would say that we don't need the 90% contracted capacity for 20 years as we did on the current projects. But substantially firmed up is – with the majority sold under long-term agreements is our current posture. Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Thank you very much, Anatol.
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Our next question comes from the line of Craig Shere with Tuohy Brothers. Your line is now open. Craig K. Shere - Tuohy Brothers Investment Research, Inc.: Hi, good morning. Thanks for letting me in. As a follow-up to Ted's question about the quarter's cargoes, is there any color about foundation customer interest in tapping their early cargo rights? Anatol Feygin - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Hey. How are you, Craig? It's Anatol again. So, foundation customers, as you know, both BG/Shell, as well as Gas Natural, have agreements for pre-commercial cargoes. And they're the only two that have those agreements, but we've been – the Cheniere Marketing organization has been transacting with the entire portfolio of LNG buyers and those foundation customers are among them. So, I guess the answer to your question is yes on both, both the pre-commercial cargoes as well as incremental volumes have been sold to foundation customers. Craig K. Shere - Tuohy Brothers Investment Research, Inc.: Fair enough. I appreciate that. And the original higher margin contracted position like a year and a half plus ago, I think it was like 150 million MMBtu through 2018, are those cargoes ones that you kept flexibility on timing of filling or should they roll out kind of methodically over time through 2018? Anatol Feygin - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: So, all of those sales are at time certain periods, if that's part of your question. And as you said, that margin will flow through our financials over the next year and a half or so. Craig K. Shere - Tuohy Brothers Investment Research, Inc.: And I guess, I'm asking is how lumpy is it or is it pretty methodical? Anatol Feygin - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: It's substantially in 2017 with some volumes into 2018. Craig K. Shere - Tuohy Brothers Investment Research, Inc.: Okay. And last question, there were some comment about being very comfortable with the budgeted contingencies at this point. Can you handicap at this point, combined with prospects for maybe not using all SPL contingencies and also with debt financing costs to this point about maybe coming on the inside of that $2 billion, $2.5 billion backend equity funding target. Michael J. Wortley - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: No. I mean I think our assumption right now conservatively is that the contingency gets spent. In Train 5, is still way out and then Corpus, is still relatively early days. So, very comfortable contingency but we're not taking a victory lap just yet. Craig K. Shere - Tuohy Brothers Investment Research, Inc.: Fair enough. Thank you.
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Our last question comes from the line of Alex Kania with Wolfe Research. Your line is now open. Alex S. Kania - Wolfe Research LLC: Thanks. Good morning. Just, I want to go back to the SG&A commentary. So, again, I just want to verify that you said in the past that you'd see a long term run rate at the kind of LNG SG&A level of $300 million and now you're saying it's going to be closer to $200 million. Is that a fair way to think about it? Michael J. Wortley - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: That's right. Alex S. Kania - Wolfe Research LLC: Okay. Does it take any additional time to get there or do you feel like that a lot of the steps that you need to make have already been made? Michael J. Wortley - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Yeah, if you strip out stock comp out of our current run rate we're not that far from the low 200s right now. So, I think we're going to generally arrest the growth of future G&A. There will be some growth, but there will be some other areas where we'll be more efficient and the net-net will be kind of a flattish run rate. Alex S. Kania - Wolfe Research LLC: Great. Thank you very much.
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And there are no other questions at this time. I'll turn the call back over to the presenters for closing comments. Jack A. Fusco - Cheniere Energy, Inc.: Yeah. This is Jack. I just want to say thank you very much for all of your support of Cheniere and of me over this last six months and I look forward to working together over the next coming years. So, thank you again. Bye-bye.
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This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.