Ideanomics, Inc. (IDEX) Q4 2020 Earnings Call Transcript
Published at 2021-03-31 22:43:06
Greetings and welcome to Ideanomics Fourth Quarter Fiscal 2020 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host Tony Sklar, Vice President of Communications and Head of Investor Relations. Thank you, sir. You may begin.
Thank you so much Victor and welcome everybody to the Ideanomics fourth quarter 2020 earnings conference call. Joining me today, I'm pleased to have Mr. Alfred Poor, Chief Executive Officer; and Mr. Conor McCarthy, our Chief Financial Officer. A webcast of today's call will be archived and available in our Events and Presentations section of our corporate website for a minimum of 30 days. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. During the call, we will make forward-looking statements, such as dialogue regarding our revenue expectations or forecasts for the quarters and the full fiscal year 2021 and 2022 related to our business. These statements are based on our current expectations and information available as of today and are subject to a variety of risks and uncertainties and assumptions. Actual results may differ materially as a result of various risk factors that have been described in our periodic filings with the SEC. As a result, we caution you against placing undue reliance on these forward-looking statements. We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements as a result of new information or future events, except as required by law. In addition, other risks are fully described in our Ideanomics public filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and can be reviewed at www.sec.gov. Today, March 31, 2021, the company filed its 10-K with the SEC and afterwards issued a press release announcing its financial results. So participants on this call who may not have already done so may wish to look at those documents as we provide a summary of those results on this call. The format for today's call will be as follows; Mr. Alfred Poor, our CEO, will speak to the company's activities and developments for the fourth quarter and full-year 2020, as well as provide an overview and business strategy for 2021 and beyond. Mr. Conor McCarthy, our CFO, will speak to the company's operating and financial results for the fourth quarter and the year-end 2020. It is now my pleasure to hand the conversation over to Mr. Alfred Poor, Ideanomics CEO.
Thank you, Tony, and thank you to everyone joining our call today. I'm going to begin by talking about 2020 and follow that with some remarks about our first quarter of this year and our business outlook for 2021 and beyond. 2020 was a challenging year for many companies and with the global pandemic, the past 12 months or so required us to absorb the adversity and double down on developing the Ideanomics business. I asked a lot of my management team in 2020 and through our collective efforts, we finished the year with the company in a healthy financial condition and with an exciting future ahead. During 2020, we developed consistent quarterly revenues within our China based business; we paid down the company’s debt, removed the going concern with our auditors, and restored our minimum listing requirements with the NASDAQ. We also brought in a significant amount of investment dollars to help fuel both organic growth and provide us with the ability to pursue high value accretive acquisitions. Along with the on-boarding of additional talent across our operations, these achievements have positioned the company to take advantage of the market opportunities in our business segments. Reduced travel in 2020 allowed for additional planning and review of the company's performance. And I made a number of changes as we closed out 2020 to reflect the fact that I did not feel our China operations were performing as expected. To help achieve our potential in the China market, we have made several management changes, including a new GM for China, in addition to people investments in our sales, business development, and supply chain teams. These changes position us for stronger results in our China operations in 2021. The company remains bullish on the China market. And our presence in China over the last few years has created deep knowledge of the logistics and supply chain requirements for the manufacturer of EVs, batteries, and related components. This in turn enables the outsourcing of high quality materials and components at competitive prices for the company's operations outside of China. As part of that review process, I made the decision to expand our focus more globally so that we could diversify our revenue dependency on the Asia market, while also allowing us to position, to participate in the tremendous interest of EV that now exists in North America and Europe as a result of the industry's development in 2020. The decisions taken in 2020 have set Ideanomics up with an exciting future. And so that brings us to our business updates and outlook for 2021. For those of you tuning in for the first time, we operate two business segments. Ideanomics Mobility, and Ideanomics Capital. Ideanomics Mobility is driving the adoption of electric vehicles across the EV value chain, and is assembling a synergistic ecosystem of subsidiaries and investments across the three key pillars of EV enablement, which are vehicles, charging, and energy. Each operating company within our Ideanomics Mobility offers its own unique products and services, and participates in rounding out Ideanomics’ S2F2C or sales to financing to charging model. And we have developed centralized supply chain, business development, and marketing expertise to help accelerate growth and opportunities across the group. To follow-up our investments in California based EV track to make the Select Track in the second half of 2020, we announced the acquisition of Utah-based wireless charging company WAVE in the first quarter of 2021, as well as investments in the high performance market through hypercar makers Silk EV and Italian EV motorcycle maker Energica. We've also made progress with our Medici Motor Works brand. As some of you have already seen online today, the buses are the first in the line-up. I want to state very clearly that these buses are being brought in for the purposes of marketing, homologation and demonstration at this time, including demonstration of the WAVE technology. The buses may vary slightly in design once we have the homologation completed. Buses in particular are very difficult homologation process. So, we held back on the original concept designs until we understand if any engineering changes are required, as we cannot conduct all aspects of the U.S. homologation process without having the buses here on the ground. It is the same with three electric bikes you've seen online recently. They are here for marketing, homologation, and demonstration purposes only at this time. Once the homologation is finalized, we will begin pre-orders and importing the stock to sale. Trucks and specialty vehicles will follow within the global Medici offering. Whether it's homegrown businesses like Medici, or companies we bring into the family such as WAVE, we are very excited to have a range of quality high growth EV companies in the Ideanomics Mobility family. And we look to continue and we will look to continue for high quality accretive acquisitions and investments where we see value for our shareholders. The combination of these products and services within our subsidiaries and investments coupled with Ideanomics Mobility shared services will provide the company with the opportunity to bring to market unique business solutions intended to drive commercial fleet electrification, such as charging as a service and vehicle as a service. We believe these types of services will be key differentiators for the company going forward, as they offer fleet operators an opportunity to benefit from an OpEx driven model, which lowers the barrier to entry for the adoption of zero emissions fleets. If Bloomberg’s NEF estimating global commercial EV sales will reach 1.2 million units in 2023, and with the global EV charging infrastructure market expected to grow more than 30% per year from 2021 to 2028, we are excited about our prospects and are pleased we decided to participate in multiple aspects of the EV market. We also see important signals in the market, which are supporting those growth estimates. The current U.S. administration announced that they support for EV infrastructure with a goal to achieve 100% clean energy economy, and indeed states such as California, along with several European countries have accelerated timelines to phase-out vehicles powered by fossil fuels. Likewise, GM, Ford, VW, and other traditional big auto have announced significant investments in EV, with several looking to phase-out internal combustion vehicles entirely. With the products and services and capital to execute on our vision, management believes that Ideanomics is well-positioned to benefit from the anticipated growth in the EV market. Our Ideanomics Capital business segment also provides us with compelling growth opportunities. Just as we did in the mobility segment, the first quarter of 2021 saw us complete the acquisition of Timios, which has continued its growth trajectory since joining the Ideanomics family, and we are excited to consolidate their revenues and free cash flow in our Q1 earnings. We also completed a follow-on investment in London and Reykjavík-based TM2, which soft launched its technology metals trading platform a couple of weeks ago and we are seeing renewed interest in our DBOT ATS since the fourth quarter of 2020 that has resulted in a number of interesting conversations that will help bring that back into focus in 2021 in addition to our receiving an additional CMA approval from FINRA in the area of crowd-funding. I'll finish my remarks by saying Ideanomics is developing rapidly quarter-over-quarter and you have joined us today in the exciting time for the business in which we have the financial and human capital to confidently pursue our business objectives for 2021 and beyond. I want to thank you all for joining us today. I'll now hand over to our CFO, Conor McCarthy to review our financial performance for Q4 and fiscal 2020.
Thank you, Alf. 2020 was the year when our pivot to commercial EV started in 2019, [gained real traction] both in revenues generated on the building out of the foundations of our global EV business. The highlights for the year are: $166 million of cash at year-end, and $330 million today providing a deep pool of capital for investment in our EV business, sequential quarterly growth in our revenues during 2020. The first sales of our charging and battery systems, a key element of our S2F2C model, Sales 2 Financing 2 Charging. I will now discuss the financial performance in greater detail. Revenue for the year was 26.8 million sequential quarter-over-quarter of growth demonstrating the increasing strength of Ideanomics business. EV revenue in 2020 was 19.5 million versus 2.7 million in 2019, an increase of 16.8 million or more than 600%. The 2020 revenues included our first sales of charging and battery systems, a part of the EV ecosystem that is very important to Ideanomics S2F2C model. We expect revenues from charging systems to grow as WAVE, our inductive charging business acquired in January 2021, is included in our financial results starting this quarter. Revenues for the full-year 2019 were $44.6 million, however $40.7 million was generated from the Digital Asset Management Services contract that produced no revenues in 2020 and this contract is not expected to produce any revenues for the foreseeable future. Our gross profit for 2020 was $2.1 million, which represented a gross margin of 7.7%. Gross profit for 2019 was $43.1 million, principally from the sale of digital asset management services, which had a gross margin of almost 100%. Turning to our operating expense. Operating expense for 2020 was 88.9 million, as compared to 111.7 million in 2019, a reduction of 22.8 million. The 2020 operating expense included non-cash expenses of 42.6 million for impairments versus 73.4 million in 2019. The impairment charges reflect actions taken to improve the long-term value of the business. Professional fees in 2020 were 12.5 million, which reflects the costs associated with our investor relations program, responding to regulatory inquiries, class action lawsuits, and generally heightened corporate activity in fundraising and M&A. We recorded a gain of 5.5 million to reflect a real measurement of the earnout contained in the three technologies acquisition agreement. This was partially offset by a loss on true-up shares paid as part of the DBOT acquisition. We remain highly confident about the long-term potential of Tree Technologies. However delays in delivering on the business plan are projected to reduce the earnout payments. The loss from operations was 86.9 million, as compared to 68.6 million in the prior period. Increased operating loss is almost entirely due to the lower gross profit as the very high margins achieved of the digital asset management service contract in 2019 were not repeated in 2020. Interest expense for the period was 16 million of which – which is principally non-cash and represents the expense when U.S. GAAP accounting guidance is applied to the ratchet provisions in the company's convertible debt. All of this debt was repaid at year or converted prior to the year-end We recorded a non-cash impairment charge for the loss in our equity method investments of 16.7 million. We recorded a gain of 6.6 billion in other income, principally from the successful negotiations to terminate the lease of the company's head office building in New York City. To conclude, 2020 was a year of achievement, which provides a firm launching pad for growth in 2021. Cash of [166 million] at year-end and $330 million today, recording – is quite a sequential quarter-over-quarter growth, a strong balance sheet with large resources to support both organic growth and an active M&A program. In summary, Ideanomics is very well-positioned to take advantage of the great opportunities in the EV sector. That concludes my remarks. I'll hand it back to Tony.
Thank you very much Conor. And this concludes management's prepared remarks. So, now we're going to turn the discussion to everybody's favorite time, our Q&A. So, Victor, the moderator, if you could possibly just give the set of instructions?
Absolutely. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Robert [indiscernible], a Private Investor. Please proceed with your question.
Yes. When is the timeframe of when the Delaware Board of Trade might be operational?
Thank you for the question there. The Delaware Board of Trade is a very valuable asset to us. We've recently applied for some more licenses CMA approvals, as I mentioned in the prepared remarks. There's a lot of very interesting conversations going on with DBoT that we hope to be able to speak to in the next quarter or so. We will obviously bring updates for the market on that as soon as we can. But suffice to say, there's a lot of interest back in that particular sector that we originally bought the asset for. And there's ongoing conversations that I can't speak to any further at this time, but watch this space.
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Craig Irwin with Roth Capital Partners. Please proceed with your question.
Good evening, and thanks for taking my questions. So, I wanted to ask a little bit about the cross portfolio synergies, particularly in Ideanomics Mobility, can you maybe frame out for us how this business strategy is leveraging the assets and the different businesses that you've added into the portfolio? How does this accelerate time to market or maybe make it easier for business development of these different entities?
Thank you, Craig. Thanks for the question. So, I'll give you a very good example. Right now we have significant orders in hand of our Treeletrik subsidiary in Malaysia. We received a purchase or very large purchase order from an Indonesian bike distributor, which will require us to begin servicing the first order of about 10,000 units from – with supply chain, maybe like Q2, but more likely from July onwards of this year. That's obviously an enormous order, and it will be the largest order Treeletrik received to date. Probably one of the largest EV bike orders, I believe there's probably been globally today. So, if you take a look at our Energica motorcycle investment, that's a company with battery and charging technology. The Treeletrik electric bikes are battery agnostic. So they come with batteries and charging equipment from different manufacturers based on different markets we sell them. So, we place that investment into Energica as part of the series of conversations we had with them regarding their ability to help us secure the supply chain for battery and charging equipment for Treeletrik. So, I think you can see quickly there, you know when you're going to do that that level of business for the company like Energica, why we would want to obviously begin a conversation with them around making the investment in their company as well. So, that's probably a really good example of something that, you know that shows the synergies across the platform and you know Treeletrik is one of our – is going to be one of our real revenue drivers in the second half of this year.
Excellent. So just a follow up there. Are we talking about a vehicle similar to the – what is it the T-70 or is this more like the T-Express that Treeletrik makes?
The purchase order was very large because they were distributed, but it really breaks down into individual orders, that's why we haven't announced it yet. So, the first order that's coming from Indonesia, it’s the 10,000 units of the T-70. So, T-70 – there's a distributor will take about 10% of the revenues out of that as part of the program, but our T-70 unit sell for little under $1,500 a unit, somewhere in the $1,300 range of that kind of scale. But what's really interesting about that order in particular is, what it will allow us to do, which will help us streamline the supply chain and improve our margins is, if we're going to be making that number of units for the Indonesian market, which is the world's largest motorcycle market, we'll be setting up an assembly operation in Indonesia. So, because the last thing we want to do is, get our component manufacturers to send everything into Malaysia, we then assemble the bikes, put them up, send them out, you know the combination of the different components and go out as a finished product through customers again and that obviously delays the supply chain. So, I think the, you know the interesting part of that particular deal is, it will rapidly see us expand in the ASEAN region as well.
That's very exciting. The 10,000 bikes, you know 13 million, 14 million as a starter, did I get that right?
Yeah absolutely and that's a small part of the of the distribution contract. We signed an original, kind of framework agreement with the distributor back in January 2020, but because of COVID and a lot of other things people have probably forgotten about it, but the distributors intention to distribute somewhere between one and one and a half million about bikes into the Indonesian market in the next few years, So, you know Indonesia is the world's largest two wheeler motorcycles, so there's about 105 million motorcycles or mopeds currently in the market there. So, putting a million, million-and-a-half of our Treeletrik bikes in sounds like a lot of unit orders, but it's actually only 1%, 1.5% of the market share.
Excellent and can you just clarify for us does the buyer have financing ready to accommodate the sales and delivery into the market?
Yeah. So the buyer itself is getting support from the state banks there. That’s why the size of the purchase order will be broken-up into large tranches. So they’ve secured the initial financing for the first 10,000 and we expect to get add on orders thereafter throughout the next couple of years.
Wow. I like that. If you move on to more – I guess developments closer to home, so you're in the DC Center, I believe will – the center of excellence will be here in New Jersey, is that correct, and can you maybe talk about the buses where you're taking delivery? You know, will these be giving demonstrations on site? Do you expect to get permission to bring them to customer locations to demonstrate the capabilities of the bus? You know what can we expect as far as the press rollout or a potential customer education program over the next number of months?
Yeah. So, for those of you that don't know we're on the call it's a really interesting question. New Jersey is one of the main kind of terminus hubs in the country because of the size of the New York market. Many freight operators bring their big rigs, the semi trucks into New Jersey and they terminate before they get to New York and they get broken down into warehousing and then shipped out through larger, you know larger size vans and trucks for delivery all through the Tri-state area So, it makes New Jersey one of the most important markets in the country. So, Ideanomics is taking occupancy of a building from about a May timeline. We’re just finalizing the lease now. That will be our Ideanomics Mobility, education and advocacy center and those buses are part of that effort. We’ll be showcasing all of our vehicle lineups within that center and commercial fleet operators will be able to come there and see, you know all the tech that's available. And we'll be doing classrooms out of that particular premises, workshops. So commercial fleet operators can come in a non-threatening, non-showroom type setting, learn about EV, learn about charging equipment, drive the bus on our private lot. We got a large parking space at the back that waste technology will be deployed into as well as other table-based charging so we can show people the difference between the different types of apparatus. So, the commercial fleet operators can come and learn, because one of the big things we learned last few years in China is, there's a lack of education for commercial fleet operators. Everybody's selling their vertical product, but nobody's really teaching the market about what you need to do to enable EV at scale. So, we'll be covering within that advocacy center everything from rebates and incentives to charging products to all different types of electric vehicles, they'll be able to come on site, enjoy the classroom setting, in a large kind of warehouse commercial type of setting, which is more appropriate for the commercial EV fleet operator. He's not a showroom kind of guy. And we're looking – got several local groups and local government interested in supporting us with that as well.
That's good to hear. So, my last question is about WAVE. Recently, I had a dialogue with Macy, the CEO of Antelope Valley, which I guess has a few of the WAVE units installed, or, I believe the largest installation in the country. And he does have the largest number of EV buses of any operator in the country. I think he said 95. He's talking about, you know, customers stopping by non-stop to see demonstration of the WAVE Technology. Typically, you know a couple of weeks. I know that the contribution of WAVE was sort of mid-to-upper single-digit contribution in the millions last year. Can you talk about the pipeline of orders that WAVE is sketching out at this point? What do you think a typical order size could look like? And, you know, how should we look at the potential for WAVE? You know, now that they're tucked into the Ideanomics Mobility family?
Yeah. So that's really interesting. I can see you've been doing your homework there, Craig. So that's great to see. The Antelope Valley Transit Authority, or AVTA they've been an incredible kind of used case around for Mike and the team at WAVE. And they've been very, very kind with their time and their expertise showing other transit authorities and fleet operators. Just exactly, you know the benefits of implementing a service likewise. And, you know, one of the things that we're working on with Mike – well, there's a couple of things. First, one of the things we're working on with Mike is, his revenues are lumpy, not because of the way that the sales cycles work, but because there's a few different elements of what has to go into getting it deployed. And the big part of it is, a local permit for the work to do the ground installation, with the local authority, and also a permit with the local utility, because these are high power installations as well. So, you know, he can get lumps of revenue one quarter, and then [a void of revenue] for another quarter. So what we're looking to do is introduce charging to the service for him, so that we can much faster service, the level of inquiries that he has, within his pipeline. And by doing the charging as a service we’ll integrate the, you know, the energy in the deregulated market, of course, and that will be a nice little extra piece of revenue. But the idea here is to smooth out that revenue for him and change his business model to a recurring revenue model that's much more predictable. And the benefit of selling the charging as a service is, there’s no CapEx cost upfront to the transit authority or the fleet operator. And so, they're much more prepared to take the order faster, and also prepared to commit to a much longer time as we amortize the cost of it for them. So, number of benefits there. But there's also been tremendous reception in China since our acquisition of WAVE. Larry, who's a new GM over there has been posting a number of meetings with ports, airports, and also talking to Petro China about our gas station conversion project, and bringing WAVE into that. So, we're now providing all of the safety specifications and things you need to do to get the Ministry of Transport in China to sign off on that and it looks like China will be a promising market for WAVE, as well as the domestic sales here, which I think, you know Biden’s speech today was very much in favor of technologies like WAVE. So, I think we're going to have a vibrant business on our hands for the next few years.
Well congratulations. That's good to hear. I’ll hop in the queue.
Thank you. [Operator Instructions]
Actually, operator Victor, I just want to mention that we've been receiving some questions in from the inbox because I believe we've got some participants who are listening whether may not have an opportunity. So, I'd like to have the opportunity, Alfred, if it's okay, to read off a particular question that just came in from Brad, a longtime shareholder for sure. And he asks, compared to the plug-in EV chargers how does the WAVE Technology compare in terms of time required to achieve the same charge for vehicle like a car or a bus? Thank you, Brad.
Yeah. Actually it’s a very good question for WAVE. So, the WAVE Technology inductive charging it's a lot less cumbersome than the plug-in charging. I drive an EV, many of the folks already know, because I've spoken about it quite a few times. For me to go in and start up my level two charger at home and open up the app and plug the car and, you know there's a good couple of minutes go by before the charging activity actually engages. With WAVE, as soon as they align over the charging pad, sort of fitted to the bottom of the vehicle aligned with the WAVE system on the road or in Depot or wherever it may be deployed. Charging starts in about three seconds. You know, there's none of this plugging in a cable and authentication in any of those things that are a bit cumbersome on the cable based charging side. So, if you're looking for smart charging solutions and if you're looking for fast charging solutions WAVE is certainly more capable than any of the current cable-based or catenary overhead systems that we've seen so far. And Tony as you know, I speak about this a lot. In the future where autonomous vehicles are going to be more and more prevalent and we're already starting to see that in China, particularly in the taxi sector and the local delivery sector, there's nobody to plug in a car when you don't know the driver. So, you know it’s a – I expect cable based charging as the cable – as the charging and battery technology developed further. I expect that to be used primarily in the residential market and we'll see more solutions like WAVE in the commercial market.
Thank you. We can move to the next queue question.
Thank you. Our next question comes from David, a Private Investor. Please proceed with your question.
Yes, good day. Thank you for providing the report. I think you guys have done an excellent job. My question is, mergers and acquisitions, you guys acquired a lot of great companies both in EV, as well as Fintech sector. You never mentioned anything about Timios, but I know that was a really good acquisition for the company and I don't necessarily want to focus on that, but with regards to one that kind of went through just as a filing into that silk – was the silk a luxury car and that came through – are you guys going to be planning to do more investments in the EV sector, coming into 2021 and as well as any new acquisitions is that also on the plan, you’ve raised a lot of money and is this all going to be put towards growing the company or is it going to be more used for the internal operations?
It's a really interesting question. There’ll be a balance of the use of cash on hand between growing organically the businesses that are already in the family and also us looking for some high quality accretive acquisitions. When you have a an industry where technology is moving so fast acquisitions will always be interesting as you see different technologies come to the forefront, but you specifically mentioned Silk EV and I'm going to tell you why both them and Energica rather than the alignment with the Treeletrik business I spoke about and one of the earlier questions are interesting to us. And I mentioned this in an investor panel I was on last week. The performance market typically innovates the technologies that become watered down and enter into the passenger car and commercial vehicle market later on. And the good example I gave was, you know a few decades ago early 1980s, all the engines started moving to fuel injection systems, which were much more economical use of the energy and much more efficient for the engine then, you know the previous carburetor based technologies. So, you know, you're going to see that that came out of the performance sector, fuel injection, and in the same way, in many ways, EV is interesting because the tech is getting better, but the innovation is really old tech in EV right now. Packing the battery fuel cells together and the charging hasn't really developed much in the last few years. And the performance sectors where you're going to see those improvements come because those vehicles need to push the limits of the battery cells, and also the charging capabilities as well, because the performance car will run a battery down much faster. So therefore, it will need to refuel, you know recharge much quicker. So, that's the basis for that. We've got a seat at the table with some of the world's best people in the performance sector with Silk EV and that gives us an opportunity to monitor the innovation, you know, directly.
Yes, thank you. And the other question and briefly connects to the motorbikes. Energica was announced in this year, not last year, but this year, fantastic partnership there, any plans to bring the Italian high-end motorcycles into North America or is that not anymore built?
Actually, it's going to be slightly us leveraging them. Energica is already there. Motorcycles are already available here. They have an owned and operated showroom on the East Coast and another on the West Coast in California. And they have a number of distributors throughout the country. So, you can actually buy the Energica motorbikes in North America today. What we'll be doing for the Treeletrik is leveraging their distributor network and they're owned and operated sites as well to help us get the Treeletrik bikes in. So, there's an additional things there, but they are available today and they’ll be showcased in the in Moto-E very shortly that's coming up, which is the Grand Prix for the bikes.
I see. Excellent. Well, I'm going to congratulate you gentlemen for an excellent work. I think you've done a very good job moving the company forward, and we look forward to 2021.
Thank you very much. Thank you.
Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the floor back over to Tony for any closing remarks.
Great, thank you very much, everybody. And that is all the time that we do have for today. This will conclude the Ideanomics Q4 and full-year 2020 earnings investor conference call. We encourage our community to continue to reach out with us with their individual questions. We'll get those answered for you. You can send those into IR at ideanomics.com. We also want to make sure that you are aware that Ideanomics will be participating in the participating in the BNE Forum this upcoming April, as well as multiple events for our upcoming Earth Day. We'd like to thank all of our listeners, shareholders, and analysts and others who have taken the time to listen to our earnings call for today. We urge you all read through to our latest SEC filings for any information that you need. This call will be available on our website in the investors section, we'd like – if you'd like to find the link there. To be alerted to our news, events and other information in a timely manner [Technical Difficulty] for our newsletter and explore our website@www.ideanomics.com. Thank you everyone for participating and listening on the call today.
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