Energy Focus, Inc.

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Energy Focus, Inc. (EFOI) Q4 2014 Earnings Call Transcript

Published at 2015-03-12 15:22:05
Executives
Marcia Miller - Interim CFO James Tu - Executive Chairman Eric Hilliard - President & COO
Analysts
Craig Irwin - Roth Allan Snider - Oppenheimer Richard Greene - Centerpoint Advisors David Hartman - Private Investor Robert Smith - Center For Performance Investing Alvin Burns - Private Investor Bill Hardy - Private Investor
Operator
Welcome to the Energy Focus Fourth Quarter And Full Year 2014 Earnings Call. Today’s conference is being recorded. And at this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Marcia Miller. Please go ahead.
Marcia Miller
Thank you, Greg. Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us for Energy Focus Fourth Quarter and 2014 Year Earnings Conference Call. Today James Tu, our Executive Chairman, Eric Hillard, our President and Chief Operating Officer and I will report on our results for the fourth quarter and 2014 year. The new releases with our earnings result and our annual report filed on Form 10K has been posted to our website under the investor section. As a reminder today's discussion will include forward-looking statements including predictions, expectations, estimates or other information that might be considered forward-looking. These forward-looking statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties. We encourage you to review our most recent filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our 10-K and 10-Qs for a complete discussion of these factors and other risks that may affect our future results or the market price of our stock. We are not obligating ourselves to publicly release any revisions to these forward-looking statements in light of new information or future events. Now, I’d like to turn the call over to James.
James Tu
Thanks, Marcia. Good morning everyone and thank you again for your participation in our earnings call. In this call I will talk briefly about our progress during fourth quarter and full year 2014 and Marcia Miller will discuss about our financial in more detail. We will then open up for questions. As you have read in our earnings press release fourth quarter 2014 represented another exciting sequential quarterly growth over third quarter of 2014. We obtained the upper end of our estimated quarterly sales goal at $9.5 million and multiply our product sales which are always focused on, 252% over the same quarter in 2013 many due to strong navy sales. During the quarter we further improved our gross margin from 32% last quarter and 23.2% in the fourth quarter of 2013 to 34%, excluding the onetime severance settlement and employment incentive charges, quarterly operating loss was reduced to 70,000. We also generated $1.3 million of operating cash flow during the quarter. In the meantime we extended our R&D efforts further and filed additional patent for our commercial IntelliTube product. And we’re awaiting UL and DLC certification to launch the product formerly within the next few weeks, we believe that in therapy we will represent a true ground breaking and differentiated solution to replace florescent light with lowest fluorescent light with lowest talk of ownership and leading quality and safety features, not just in the U.S. but also worldwide. We also are in the process of developing products that are complementary to our core two product portfolio for our commercial customers and we will announce them in the coming weeks and months when they are launched. These commercial product development efforts aim to position Energy Focus as an indisputable either in the tubular LED market. Also during the quarter we strengthened our commercial market sales force in our regional operation which now includes Cleveland, New York and Washington DC and focus on selling to a number of targeted vertical notably healthcare, schools and retail chain. While starting to build our own distributor network. We plan to continue to expand our geographic footprint by opening new regional offices by 2015. Although the sales lead time are long, LED adoption is still in it's infancy stage and we have to spread our company and product awareness while battling the change in lighting company. We believe that we have laid a solid strategic and sales force foundation during 2014 for us to start generating significant and consistent wins in 2015. For the whole year 2014, our product sales grew 116% from 2013. Our total number of tubular LED shipments grew 360% from 722,544 in 2013 to 334,456. Based on the U.S. custom data and our actual sales we were the number one tubular LED brand in 2014 in the U.S. Our gross margins during 2014 also improve remarkably from 21.3% to 32.1% as we successfully scale up our production with greater economy of scale through continuous process engineering and improvement in our supply chain operation. Meantime we dramatically cut down our operating cash flow from 7.2 million in 2013 to 1.4 million in 2014. Again as our sales and operating margin continued to grow we expect to start generating cash from operation even assuming we need to invest for sustainable rapid growth. Overall year 2014 show a clear operational turnaround as we grew our navy sales by 420% from the previous year. Enter the commercial market to build-up our sales pipeline and client testimonial aggressively in targeted verticals and significantly improve our gross margins for our long term target of 35%. We also dramatically strengthened our balance sheet, ending the year with over $7 million in cash and close to $10 million as of today from the IPO raises as well as additional warrant conversion. Energy Focus now has the culture, the team, the product portfolio, the strategy, the balance sheet, and even opened our LED and lighting retrofit market for us to achieve our annual sales growth of 60% in 2015 over 2014. Despite an extremely strong jump in our Navy business during 2014 we expect our Navy sales to continue to grow further from 2014 albeit at a slower rate. And as I mentioned earlier we also expect our commercial sales effort to start yielding exciting results for 2015 progress. And as we said in the press release we expect that we will continue to expand our operating margins as our sales grow. Energy Focus' long term goal is to become a global LED lighting leader and in doing so [indiscernible] of energy efficient LED lighting product. We believe that our unique strategy and successful execution will make impactful and positive changes on the world environmental and health well-being and our turnaround in 2014 represented only the bear beginning of our aggressive and massive pursuit for sustainable growth in social [ph]. Again I like to thank all of our employees and investors for their dedication and support to build an exciting., lasting and socially meaningful company. Now I would like to turn the call to our Interim CFO, Marcia Miller for more specific on financials after which we will be happy to answer any question you might have. For those who have not met or talked to Marcia Miller, I would like to introduce her to all of you here. I'm sure you’ve had an opportunity to read about the biography from our previous press release which says about what a talented, capable and hardworking professional she is. We’re all extremely fortunate to have Marcia in our team and she is doing a fantastic job overseeing and upgrading our financial operations. Marcia?
Marcia Miller
Thank you, James. As James indicated we’re finished with our sales growth and growth margin improvements for both the fourth quarter and the year. I trust you all have had the time to read our earnings release and I would like to give you a quick rundown of our financial results. For the fourth quarter of 2014, Energy Focus had net sales of $9.5 million compared to $6.6 million, the prior year's fourth quarter representing an increase of 43% year-over-year and an increase of 34% from the third quarter. To remind everyone we report two segments of our business. The product segment and the solution segment. The product segment includes our military and general and commercial and industrial LED lightening offerings as well as research and development service contract revenue. R&D remains a key focus for us and our engineering team is dedicated to developing a leading edge LED lighting product. However since the second half of 2013 we have curtailed our efforts by bidding on research contract and grants that don’t fit our strategy of focusing on the tubular LED lighting retrofit market and revenue from these contracts has declined significantly in 2014 to a negligible amount as these contracts are near completion. Revenues from the product segment totaled 9.3 million of the total 9.5 million for the quarter and grew 252% from the prior year's quarter. Excluding R&D for the project revenue I just spoke of. Project segment revenue were almost 300% from the prior year's quarter through the strong sales of our military IntelliTube products for the U.S. Navy. In regard to our solution segment during the second half of 2014 we began shifting our focus away from providing turnkey solution so we could focus our resources solely on our LED lighting retrofit product placement. Our solution segment sales decreased 96% from the prior year's fourth quarter to a $144,000 for the quarter but that was by design as we have now completed the remaining few open jobs. Turning to gross margin we saw further improvement in the fourth quarter with gross profit margin of 34% of net sales compared to 27.1% last year as 10.8 percentage point improvement. This is due to having a higher mix of product sales versus solution sales which carry lower margin as well as improvements on the product side. The gross margin for our product segment increased 6.4 percentage points to 34.6% of sales in the quarter. This improvement is driven by our continuous operational efficiency efforts as well as the growing economies of scales and sales volume increase. Operating expenses were 3.8 million for the fourth quarter compared to 3.6 million in the same quarter of 2013. This increase is primarily the result of higher selling, general and administrative expenses for performance incentive, increased salaries and related benefits as we grew our direct sales force by about [indiscernible] from the prior year. Higher severance and settlement charges, higher recruiting expenses and higher stock based compensation. The prior year's operating results included 608,000 impairment loss to write-down certain fixed assets relating to our pool operations located in California which was sold in November of 2013. The loss from continuing operations was impacted for the fourth quarter were 720,000 compared to 2.5 million loss for the fourth quarter of 2013. As we mentioned in our press release the current period of fourth quarter included approximately $250,000 of severance and settlement charges, about half of which related to our UK operation as they have restructured their business to concentrate on selling LED lighting in addition to the specialty fiber optic lighting that they have traditionally sold. The quarter also included about $300,000 in incentive due to the company's improved financial performance. For the full year 2014 net sales were 29 million, an increase of 35% over 2013 with each quarter showing double digit sequentially growth. The product segment sales of 25.3 million were more than double those of 2013 driven by a 422% growth of our government products primarily the military IntelliTube. Gross profit for the year also more than doubled that of 2013 and gross margins increased to 32.3% of net sales from 21.3% in 2015. Again the increase was due to a shift in mix between our two segments where products were very higher margin expense solution as well as operating efficiency gains and volume discounts in the product segment. Our operating loss for the year was 2.6 million compared to 6.8 million in 2013 and the net loss from continuing operations for 2014 was 5.8 million compared to 6.9 million in 2013. 2014 net loss included 2.7 million of charges related to the conversion of subordinated convertible debt in the first quarter 2.3 million of which was non-cash. Moving to the balance sheet we ended the year with 7.5 million in cash, the highest balance that we have had in several years. In December we received a refund of $1 million bonding collateral which was related to our solutions. And our accounts receivable balance were at 3.1 million which is actually 800,000 lower than receivables including retained vehicles [ph] at December 31, 2013. Day sales outstanding were 28 at year-end compared to 48 at December 31, 2013. Our inventory balance was at 7.3 million at year-end which is an increase of 4.8 million from December 31, 2013. However the increase was due mainly to buying inventory to support first half 2015 shipments. Accounts payable was up 3.9 million from 12/31/2013 again primarily to purchase products to support first half sales. Shareholders' equity increased 6.8 million during the year due to the conversion of convertible debt last March as well as the equity raise we completed last August. Cash used in operating activities for 2014 was $1.4 million, an improvement of almost $6 million of cash used in operating activities in 2013. If we look at just the fourth quarter of 2014 we generated cash from operating activities of 1.3 million, 1 million of which was the refund of the bonding collateral I mentioned earlier. In February 2015 we received 2.5 million in cash from the exercise of 580,000 outstanding warrants of $4.30 per share. So based on our expectations today, we believe we will be able to fund our 2015 growth plan with cash on-hand and available borrowings on our asset based line of credit as well as cash we expect to generate from operations in 2015. And in that thing [ph] we’re very pleased to share with you that our auditors [indiscernible] have removed their growing concern opinion for March 2014 audited financials. 2014 was a turning point for us as we grew our sales, increased our gross margins, strengthened our balance sheet and narrowed our focus on the tubular LED lighting retrofit market. We want to thank our shareholders for their continued support and confidence in Energy Focus and we look forward to continuing success in 2015. Greg, we would now like to open the call for questions please.
Operator
[Operator Instructions]. First from Roth we have Craig Irwin.
Craig Irwin
James, you’re very clear about the growth in the Navy and key part of your continued growth in 2015. Can you may be discuss how things are tracking in your national accounts and commercial businesses, whether or not we’re going to see those businesses to start contributing a more material portion of the overall revenue of the company or if the Navy is likely to lead the growth charge in 2015.
James Tu
So as I mentioned that we have been building our infrastructure for the commercial sales and we do expect the commercial sales volumes to start picking up as we move throughout 2015 almost on a quarterly basis. So it is our expectation that we can start showing the numbers in more meaningful ways throughout the year. Maybe sales are still going to be a very important part of our 2015 results but as I said the pipelines that we have been building in the commercial market and I think what differentiated us from a year ago in our commercial market personally that we have a more clear and more defined strategy that we believe is working and will be working. So I would just say that it takes a while to generate actual sales of our individual account and we anticipate a country result in the coming months.
Craig Irwin
So the next question I wanted to ask is about seasonality, just so that everybody that follows your company has the progression of revenue and margin is collaborated correctly. Can you discuss what are not there typical seasonality that we can expect anything first quarter result if this is likely have a similar impact on Energy Focus to others in the lighting market or do you see less of an impact given your significant waiting from your successful sales to the Navy.
James Tu
Yes aside from the Navy sales that might be stronger in the third quarter due to the budget year in the defense department. We don’t particularly anticipate very strong seasonality in any of our business. There you can argue that in the retail business fourth quarter is probably the weakest just because nobody does much in the industry but still a very small part of our sales at this point. So all-in-all we don’t expect to have much seasonality, now we focus very much on product sales and our sales will continue to diversify into different vertical as we progress through 2015. You can argue that in 2014 Navy was the notable sales growth driving force. In 2015 you will see more verticals that are contributing to our sales and towards the end of the year we believe that the Navy sales will become more muted not 70% - 80% of overall sales. But still it will be a very important part of our sales.
Operator
And our next question comes from Allan Snider with Oppenheimer.
Allan Snider
I had a question about the fact that you have turned this company around and you never in my opinion have hyped anything. You don’t put frivolous press releases and I respect that very much. But I did want to ask you with relationship to Cushman & Wakefield. Now it's publically known that you’re considered as a preferred provider to Cushman & Wakefield and they didn’t sell -- or built as the world's largest manager of commercial real estate and in my opinion that is a huge, huge plus for your organization. So I was wondering if there is anything that you can care to elaborate on with relation to Cushman or any similar commercial opportunities that are now following for you guys?
James Tu
Well the Cushman & Wakefield deal was a significant win for us. While we have experienced however is that because Cushman & Wakefield does not own the building, they only manage -- their clients. So the decision making is spread into the individual owner which is very hard to penetrate when we did not have IntelliTube which is a plug and play product. So we do expect that -- so unfortunately in 2014 we did not make much progress when it comes to actual sales from the channel, we do expect in 2015 we will maximize our leverage that particular relationship and penetrate some part of the building market. I do want to emphasize that this is a vast market and the penetration rate for LED lighting is still minimal and there are a lot of what we call low hanging fruits particularly in the industry that pay attention to not just energy saving but also the health impact and sustainability impact. So that’s why we focus very much on the schools where the kids will benefit from better lighting, the fluorescent lighting impact them in a very far more humble way in LED lighting, our product provides a dramatic health impact on the kids and there are many studies that have shown that we can improve their extending performances as well. Same thing for healthcare industry and the retail industry, those are the industry that we’re more focused on right now. We will continue to expand on to other verticals but again it's such a vast market. We’re talking about tubular tubes out there to be replaced in the U.S. alone. We have barely scratched the surface of this market. So we just have to be careful about where we focus our resources and we did a couple of million dollars sales last year in commercial--
Allan Snider
I was just curious as to what had transpired with Cushman and then you made it very clear and I do understand. And bottom-line I just want to congratulate you. I think you’ve done a wonderful job and the cliché is that the train is possibly leaving the station and I'm looking forward to further conference calls.
Operator
[Operator Instructions]. We will move to Joseph Gimet [ph], Private Investor.
Unidentified Analyst
I’ve one question on quarter four, on the September you announced that you received maybe a $7.7 million order and the order most of which is expected to be delivered throughout the remaining of 2014 represents the largest order in the company's history and I was just wondering if indeed it was completed at that time and also what the percentage of your sales were accountable to that particular contract?
Eric Hilliard
I will try to answer your question as transparent as I can, the order that we received in 2014 there were numerous orders but there is specific order that you’re referring to has a delivery on it that expand beyond 2014 and into 2015. So we did deliver parts of that order and then we will continue to deliver that order. The mix of that I can't speak dynamically to on the call obviously. And as a percentage of that particular order as it made up our sales volume, again that’s hard to disseminate right now in the room but. As James had said to your question Joe, military is in 2014 a significant part of our revenues. Thanks.
James Tu
Joe, if you look at press releases that we have now potentially December accumulated orders from Navy was about $29 million.
Unidentified Analyst
Did you see additional orders?
James Tu
Yes so there will be more, coming like the three quarters based on those order and potentially more order.
Unidentified Analyst
One another question, the 500 D-tubes and the IntelliTubes and whatever, are those manufactured in the United States or Mexico, or are they done overseas? Or is it a mixture of partials both here and there?
James Tu
So we do sell two versions of products, one version is just purely commercial product. Those were mainly in Asia and another class of the tube are what we call [indiscernible] tube, they are assembled in the United States. There are some clients, government, military especially that required by American products. So we do make those products in our production facility here in Cleveland as well.
Operator
And next we will move to David Hartman, Private Investor.
David Hartman
You indirectly answered my question already, you mentioned that the severance cost were based on the UK operations and we haven't heard about them for a while, I was wondering if you would elaborate on that a little bit and also your Communal deal with Asian distribution, we haven't heard about that for a while and I realize that because of the IntelliTube launch wait and I just want to see if that was still no track. Thank you.
James Tu
Sure. So the first part of the question about UK operation, we did set out -- well first of all it's a very small part of our business at this point, it's less than 5% of our sales and it was a negative business that focused on specified market which is not the market we focused but we did have a pretty extensive restructuring during the fourth quarter to make sure that operation can be cash flow breakeven or more or better and with that that’s where the charges are found. And we are also in the middle of setting of that operation to sell our IntelliTube product. In UK and part of Europe and Middle-East. So that is being prepared at this point. And we hope we have more development report once we launch the IntelliTube product in the second quarter in UK, again it's a very small operation at this point and we’re treading very carefully how we expand that operation there. We do have a very capable leader there at this point, a new leader there so we will report progress as we make them. The second part of your question about Communal. Yes, once IntelliTube is launched we do expect that Communal will be helping us in some part of the Asian market and that is being worked down right now.
David Hartman
The other question is obviously I know this may not affect you at all but the port strike, I didn’t know if that was influencing. I mean do you have enough inventory to cover future orders tier, I mean is that something that may hold us back?
Eric Hilliard
The port strike obviously affected everybody mostly retail, probably [indiscernible]. Fortunately our planning logistic crew has done a wonderful job it has not affected us, hasn’t affected our client as well and we’re fortunate about that and we’re going to continue to be able to support our client as we move forward. Thank you.
Operator
[Operator Instructions]. Next we have Robert Smith with the Center For Performance Investing.
Robert Smith
James, can you share with us what your two chief concerns are going forward? Thanks.
James Tu
Two chief concerns, I’ve a lot of concerns. There are always challenges for us to expand this fast I mean there are just not many companies actual that sell actual products and deliver actual products and process actual products like we’re in the race, we’re growing. So we’re very fortunate, we have a very strong production and operational team here and we have great either tier that we will be building over the past 12 months. So I think the chief concern is always how do we expand the sales as fast as we like to. As I’ve always said this market is fast, it's waiting for us to untap. It is limited by our ability to grow and being able to execute being able to hire the right talent in time we have a lot of hires ongoing and to make sure that the [indiscernible] and being into our culture is very important. That is the most important thing as we grow the company to maintain the integrity of our culture that focus on accountability and execution and having a very sound environment. So if you ask me that’s my chief concern having a bigger and bigger team that they will say in one integrity. The second concern I think is the ability to expand outside of the United States that is something that we have not done much and we will be doing and we have been working on this for several months, overseas, what's the strategy and that will be also consuming a lot of our energy especially towards the end of 2015. I do believe that our biggest challenge I guess the investors point of view in 2015 will be the delivery of our commercial sales and we do believe that we have a very solid team and strategy together and we will see a very exciting growth in 2015 and again in our tradition that we don’t want to over promise anything. We do expect strong growth in 2015 and I believe that’s what investors will be looking for us continue to deliver profitability and growth in the commercial market and I think as quarter's progress we will see more clear signs of those execution results.
Robert Smith
James can you give us more color on the R&D effort, you’re spending about 3% of revenue and R&D and pace of technology is such that I'm wondering about your position in LED lighting.
James Tu
Sure. I will love to spend 6% of our sales on R&D and I think we will continue to invest more and more heavily into new product development as you’ve seen from our history in the safety miles as we instigated the restructuring and whole transformation. We were in the survival mode and we need to make sure that operation can be sustained and we have again I will never say that we passed the crisis mode yet and but we are going to start investing more and more heavily into new product development as we launch IntelliTube, that’s the first generation IntelliTube 2.0 is already being worked on. So we want to make sure whatever we do bringing us closer to the leadership position we aspire in the business [indiscernible] market and we have a strong product portfolio right now. We will continue to strengthen the portfolio for our customers and again the customers are the businesses, the government, the non-profit and we think very focused on developing product that day we will buy today and you will see that continue to happen and the effort will continue to expand.
Operator
[Operator Instructions]. Next we have Alvin Burns [ph], Private Investor.
Unidentified Analyst
It's good to hear that you guys are expanding and doing well. My question is on the to meet this increase in demand how about the dose facility, are you looking forward to having any extra shifts and/or do you suppose to see any need to expand your facilities to meet the demand?
James Tu
Yes we have expanded pretty rapidly our production capacity. As I’ve mentioned you know we the shipments, the total shipments of our tubes grew 360% in 2014 that’s a lot of tubes to be shipped so that has been shipped. So we will continue to expand, I think we have gone through the most steep curve in our own production facility and we have very good teams there. So I'm very comfortable continue to expand that capacity. As for imported products we have several Asian OEMs that we will be working with and they all have pretty substantial capacities. And if you look at the two shipments in the market today we’re one of the top leaders as I indicated. So, we are able to secure production facilities, capacities because of our [indiscernible] will continue to drive the cost down and be qualified OEM that’s definitely on the top of our mind and we’re very happy that we have very strong OEM partners at this point to scale up dramatically.
Unidentified Analyst
Also one last question, I know you had escrows, you’re deemphasizing escrow stuff, how about construction? What do you see about the construction in the U.S. and abroad is it looking up? That will be a place where your products will be going. Thanks.
James Tu
Yes we’re still focused greatly today on the retrofit markets. Again the retrofit market is more than 90% of the market there and it's still penetration rate is still extremely low in the single digit, low single digit. So we want to be able to focus on that market and the new construction market is a very different market and the lead time is even longer. We don’t get into project sales at this point. We’re focused only on product sales. So we will not be in the new construction market anytime soon and that doesn’t mean we will never get into that markets, we just are not in that market right now. We have enough room to grow rapidly even for few years so -- but we’re looking at other products that our customers want in the retrofit side.
Operator
And next we will take Bill Hardy, Private Investor.
Bill Hardy
One question, in January you announced a $25 million I guess what I would call a shelf registration in which you could access capital markets I guess mainly through offering shares and here this morning you said that you had enough capital with your 7.5 million to fund inventories and anything else that you foresaw in 2015. I guess the question is what were you thinking about when you went for the 25 million and is that just kind of something you want to keep in your back pocket?
James Tu
Yes, Bill, that 25 million shelf registration left three year. So we have put it out there because mainly for two reasons, so what I meant was that we’re not in the urgent immediate need, so this can grow obviously. But we did have for two reasons, one is that the companies that we’re competing with are mostly very established company, you’re talking about Philips. Osram, GE, so -- and our customers are business customers so they are concerned about our survivability and our sustainability. So we have to have a very strong balance sheet to compete with the big company. We believe that we have very strong portfolio and strategy and team to win against this incumbent but we need a very strong balance sheet to make sure that there is no doubt. We can be a partner for these businesses. The second reason is that as you know they have really marketed the fast changing industries and there might be opportunities for to buy technologies or distribution that we can buy at the very good price. And it might come up anytime. I'm not seeing anything at this point exciting but as we always said internally within the sulk years, one month here is equivalent to a year in other industry. So you never know what's coming on the horizon in six months down the road. So we want to be ready to have that opportunity to response to these opportunities. So these are the two reasons why we filed the shelf.
Bill Hardy
Okay, next question is on guidance. Are you looking to give us any guidance for the first quarter of '15 or is that something that’s just going to be better than the fourth quarter?
James Tu
While we definitely are still looking for a continuous strong growth but -- because we’re still a very small company we are trying to give investors full year guidance and even that full year guidance is a very risky one just because one year is a long time for Energy Focus. So all we can say is that we expect continuing growth and looking down on specific range is simply not practical given that we’re dealing with a lot of opportunities that might come in the last minute or it might split out in the next quarter, in the next minute. There are contracts that could take a year to execute. So I think investors should be looking at the company executing quarter by quarter and looking at our progress quarter by quarter predicting a specific number for particular is probably not but that’s the way to look at Energy Focus for the long haul. And we did tell everyone that we’re still comfortable with the 50% annual sales growth target and if you look at our sales -- for the fourth quarter we doing through the onetime charges. We’re very close to breakeven of that sales at 9.5. So if you extrapolate that expenses line and grow at a lower rate and the top line then it's not hard to imagine that we will be profitable once we surpass a certain amount of sales on a quarterly basis.
Operator
And with no further questions that does conclude the question and answer session. I will turn things back to Mr. James Tu for any additional or closing remarks.
James Tu
Thanks everyone again for your participation. We very much look forward to talking to you again in our first quarter 2015 earnings call. Thank you and have a great day.
Operator
Once again ladies and gentlemen that does conclude today's conference. Thank you for your participation.