Dassault Systèmes SE (DSY.PA) Q1 2020 Earnings Call Transcript
Published at 2020-04-23 15:38:33
Thank you, Bernard. So if we go to Page 32, and we say a few words about the quarter. First of all, I think this quarter revealed a lot of things of what we have been told to you for almost a few years. Point #1, if you take all Bernard's example, he news. No one is having any more adopt on the meaningful things we do because what we do is critical not only to manage the crisis. You have seen it with Medidata and all the clinical trials, but it's also needed for after the crisis because things will not be the same. The second thing is being able to, to a certain extent, preannounce 18 hours after the closing of the quarter, I mean the commercial closing, not the financial closings. It's a proof point that we are fully operational. And to do so, in fact, we are using 3DEXPERIENCE platform as a way to run our business. And I'm sure you understood from Bernard's presentation that we are also using the 3DEXPERIENCE platform as a channel. It's a way for us to engage with customers. It's a way also to engage with our partners. That's the reason why we are fully operational. The last point, the last highlight for the quarter is, I think you have the proof that our business model is resilient. And if you look at the P&L, against taking the revenue, €1,144 billion, which is 2.5% short compared to the guidance we gave to you. But in a pure reporting line, including the currency effect, we are on the guidance. And if you do 17% growth for the total software revenue, and as we stated to you, the contact performance is coming from the license, minus 20% compared to our objective, which was flat to minus 5 new license. The new license. But the recurring revenue is on target, with 30% growth compared to the 28%, 30% we were targeting. And more important, the operating margin is also on target. And to a certain extent, on the high end of the target, with 29.2%, which is a good demonstration of our ability to react quickly to put the right measure in place, to counterbalance the lack of revenue coming from the new license. And last but not least, the EPS is at the high end of the guidance, which is not only the proof that we are managing properly the cost but also we are keeping, and we are keeping our commitments to you guys to be on target on this topic. That's the key highlights for the quarter. If we look at and we go Page 33 and if we look at the different sectors, you have different dynamics. Let's start with the manufacturing industry, which represents 70% of the revenue of Dassault Systèmes. This sector has been, for us, heavily impacted by mobility and transportation. We had this, to a certain extent, this concern starting last year with the supply chain. Now we see the OEMs being impacted by the situation. The good news is really coming from the aerospace. Because unsurprisingly, the aerospace is growing at double-digit for Q1. So we do not expect to have the same trend for the rest of the year, but it's a proof again that our model is resilient. And when people are really in a tough time, we are giving to them a way to manage the situation. Consumer packaged goods retail is also growing at double digits, which is obviously driven by the consumption and also the good performance. And it's also highlighting the fact that we made a lot of progress in this space. You remember a few years ago, it was almost anecdotic and now it's becoming to be critical in what we do. If you move to the infrastructures and cities, representing 10% of the revenue, we are growing at double-digits despite the fact that these sectors have been severely impacted by the crisis. If you take the oil and gas, if you take the construction, all those sectors are suffering, but we are finding our way. That's my message to you. And in life sciences, we are representing 20%. It's the second largest industry after transportation and mobility. And we are growing at double-digit with Medidata being right on plan, but BIOVIA also growing nicely, especially on the recurrent part of the revenue. And I will come back to some statistic for Medidata afterwards. A good example of the momentum we have in life sciences is [indiscernible]. It's a Korean company, doing pharmaceutical products, but also health food drinks and also medical equipment. And they have decided to select our solutions, Medidata, to do many things, not only to manage the -- what we call the electronic data capture, which is almost all the data you need to put into the system to do the trial. Also the supply chain, all the targeted source data, but more important, also the electronic trial master file. And why I'm saying that is because it's a week against Viva. And as you may know, Viva is a new players in this field. And the way they usually enter into this space is by targeting the document management, which is so-called the electronic trial master file. But there is a limitation, and this is a proof. People, they want to have only 1 single source of tools. And this documentation has to be generative. There is no way you can manage a single source of tools with documents. So the way that it's fully integrated, it's a way to understand how we counterbalance our value proposal and how we are displacing them, even if we are not fighting on a day-to-day. Moving to the next topic, which is related to the infrastructure and cities. Logistics is becoming critical also for us. And Bernard stated out clearly because the supply chain management will not be the same. And this ability to replan on a constant basis, to be dynamic is also new because it's a combination between the modeling and simulation capabilities with the optimizations. And most of the players are coming from the optimizations, but they do not have the ability to develop the models. And when it's normal, it's relatively easy to do. But when you have a crisis, the model doesn't -- the optimization doesn't work. You need to evaluate the multi set of scenarios in order to take the decisions. That's what this proof point is about. Going to Page 36 and zooming to the different product lines, and you will notice that with the new way we are reporting. For all the software-related to what we call the industrial innovations, you can see the overall performance for the quarter is minus 1%, which is strictly in line with the performance of DTR. And the performance for ENOVIA is minus 11%. What could we say? We can say for those 2 brands, which represent the bulk. Clearly, the recurrent revenue is growing extremely well. But has been offset by the decrease in the new license. And especially for CATIA and ENOVIA, transportation and mobility still represent a significant part of their revenue. That's where it's coming from. We should notice also that DELMIA is growing at double-digit because all this crisis is highlighting the fact that you need to prepare how we're going to restart. And you need to do a lot of engineering upfront. That's the reason why I mean we have a good momentum with DELMIA. Moving to the life sciences, the plus 384%. The point is Medidata is right on plan, growing at 13%, 1-3, which is fully in line with the plan. And we can notice that not only we have a lot of competitive displacement this quarter. But also, we start to achieve a certain critical mass. Now we have 1,500 customers with Medidata. And definitively, we are accelerating in new GEO. And later in the presentation, I will give you the example of what we do in China. So we start to have the synergy in place to expand the scope, the geographic scope with them. Zooming to the mainstream innovations. And this -- in this category, you have several brands, including SOLIDWORKS, Centric, PLM, 3DVIA. You see that we are growing at 2%. And SOLIDWORKS dynamic have been relatively correct compared to the situation, plus 3%. And if you zoom a little bit, in fact, in the 12 GEO we are serving, more than 6 of them, they were growing on a new license. So the counter performance is really on the new license is coming from Asia, specifically. And the recurrent revenue is still good for SOLIDWORKS is growing at plus 6%. Century PNM has been impacted by the situation because, as you may know, in the Fashion & Look very good. China does represent a significant part, either of the supply chain or the market, the demands. And that's the reason why in terms of new license, they decreased by 20%. But we have good reasons to believe that before the end of the year, it will restart. Zooming to the GEO, Page 37. So let's start with Asia. If you look at Asia, most of the country has been in locked down, almost starting in January. As the case for China as well as Korea. And later in the quarter, we had India and Japan. But the growth is -- for the full year is -- so for the risk for the quarter is plus 7%. And on an organic basis, is minus 1, which is not so bad compared to the situations. And zooming specifically on China, we saw the last month of the quarter, in March, some rebound. So it's probably too early to express that it's still against. But we saw rebound in unexpected sectors, which is the transportation and mobility as well as the high tech. So we have good reasons to believe that the pipe will continue to grow in Asia in the rest of the year. Zooming to Europe, the growth is plus 2%. On an organic basis, it's minus 5%. And Europe is almost split in 2 different parts. The North is on plan, growing on the recurrent part of the revenue, including also the new licenses. But the south part of Europe, specifically France, Italy and Spain has been evenly impacted by the logo. So -- and this is where we saw the majority of the decrease of the new license. Germany was also impacted this quarter. Americas, the growth is 46% for the quarter. So obviously, you have the contribution of Medidata. But on an organic basis, the growth is plus 4%. And as I was telling you, we had a good momentum in aerospace this quarter in Americas. If we go to Page 38. Here is a good example of what we do with Medidata. LNG is one of the largest contract organizations, research contract organization in China. And we have been able to expand what we do with them, specifically related to the COVID-19. So -- and as you may know, Medidata, they have a significant footprint in the U.S. and China, in Europe and Asia and Europe still represent, I will not say, an untapped market, but the market where they can improve significantly their footprint. And here, you have a proof point that we are gaining momentum into this space. Page 39. Zooming to the growth. Clearly, the total revenue and the software revenue growth is fully online. With plus 19%, plus 17% on both cases. And on an organic side, the organic revenue, whatever it's -- the total revenue of the software revenue is minus 1%, excluding the currency effect. If you split and you go to Page 40, you split the software revenue between the license and the subscription and support. The license organic growth, in fact is decreasing by minus 20%. And the subscription and support is growing at plus 30%. And on a pure organic basis, it's growing plus 5%, which is against a good demonstration of the solidity and the resilience of the model. Zooming to the services revenue, Page 41. The services revenue is growing at plus 14%, excluding the currency effects. On an organic side, it's plus 1%, which is, again, not so bad compared to the fact that many of our customers either postpone some of the projects or sometimes they did not open their facilities for our teams or they didn't want to have our teams to work remotely using their information systems. So we have developed many new offers in order to counterbalance these situations. And we are managing the low utilization rate due to the restrictions, and you can see this has an impact on the gross margin, but the gross margin is still positive at 2.9%. Zooming on the operating margin, Page 42. As I was telling you, I think we did well during the quarter to take the right measures at the right time in order to deliver on targets. And here, you have the comparisons compared to initially, what was the expectations. So what you can see is we have been able to improve by 0.5 point, the core. So which basically means we are improving our core activities in terms of productivity. The currency effect is having a slight effect. And from a -- from the dilutions coming from the acquisitions, the Medidata did a little bit better compared to the plan. And this gave us the ability to offset the counter performance of centric PLM and IQMS, because they were slightly below in terms of operating margin. Moving to the EPS, Page 43. The EPS growth is driven, obviously, by the top line and especially the recurrent revenue. The good margin, but also this quarter, a lower tax rate at 24.3%. And here, you have the full effect of the different tax regime, whatever it's -- the new French tax regime for the software of the UX -- the U.S. one. But also the fact that for this quarter, we were probably more weighted on Americas in terms of the revenue because if you look at the good performance of Medidata, combined with the good performance of Americas at large, we had this mix effects, which is explaining the fact that the tax rate is a little bit below that what we were higher -- sorry, below than what we were expecting. Moving to the cash flow. The cash flow for the quarter for Q1 is reaching €458 million, a slight decrease compared to last year, and I will give you more detail. In fact, it's mainly coming from the DSO. We have 3 days additional DSO and the DSO impact is the fact that Medidata in terms of payment terms, they are much more close to 100 days, which is not the standard, Dassault Systèmes, and we will continue to align their practice accordingly to what we do. For the rest, you can see that in terms of capital expenditure, we expanded our facilities in India because we are reinforcing our activities in these countries. And we also did some share buyback to offset, in fact, the -- to -- when we did the acquisition of Medidata, at the time of the closing, we have converted their -- all their long-term incentive plan with data system shares. And the few weeks before the windows closed for us in order to do it, we bought some shares in order to cover all the plan for 2021 and '22. That's what we can say. In terms of -- for the full year, we will probably have some impact on the cash flow. And the reason is because we gave some -- we extended the permanent terms for the partners. Usually, they are at 30 days. And given the situation, we gave to them 30 additional days until June. And it's also a way for the direct sales when customers are coming back to us to -- we need to renegotiate sometimes the recurrent part of the revenue. We prefer to expand the permanent terms rather than to negotiate the maintenance and the subscriptions. So why I'm saying that? Because for the full year, maybe we could have an impact on the cash flow, which is close to €200 million, which is nothing compared to our ability to generate the cash. So I think we are in a good position. Coming to the dividend, we confirm that we're going to pay our dividend on time at €0.70, which is an increase of 8%. And why so? Because we think we had a good practice we have developed over the year. Remember, we are -- the payout for the dividend is only 1/3 of the net income in the IFRS. And I think it's a good practice, and this practice is still valuable in this time frame. Moving to the -- some details of the cash flow. I already commented it, so I do not want to spend too much time. So we can jump to the financial objective for 2020. So let's go to Page 47. So here, the way we did it, we developed the framework and the framework is based on 1 goal, which is easy for you to understand. We are committed to maintain the EPS level at the same level that it was in 2019. If there is 1 thing you should remember about what I want to say is this. Okay. So that's our commitment. And you will see for the full year, we are targeting €3.55 EPS on the low end of the guidance, and 3.72% on the high end, which is nothing more being flat or plus 2%. Then after, we build the revenue, the top line. And the way we did it is by developing a scenario. And this is what I will explain to you right now. So the scenario we are seeing is a significant deceleration in Q2. It's not us telling this, it's all the economists, and a progressive recovery in Q3 and Q4. So what does it mean concretely? Q1, for the new license, we were at minus 20%. Q2, we are expecting to be minus 30%. Q3, we are expecting to be almost close to minus 20%. And do the balance in Q4, which it means minus 11%, minus 12%. This gives you, for the full year, a new license revenue decreasing by between minus 20% and minus 17%. If I zoom on the recurrent revenue, the point is offering. We have been able to demonstrate in Q1 that the solidity of this recurrent revenue. But we have to take into account the fact that we will not have the contribution of the new license at the same level that we were expecting. So I factor this into the guidance. And the second thing, I took into account, is the fact that we expect to have additional churn, mainly coming from the mid-sized market. And I took 1 point additional churn in my guidance. That's the reason why we are lending to [indiscernible] to plus 26% to plus 27% ex-FX for the full year. I checked these assumptions related to what happened in 2009, when we had this crisis between 28% and 29%. And to a certain extent, I discover that we are almost on the same patterns. So that's the way I did my sanity check. For the savings program, the way I computed it is relatively also easy to understand. The gap in terms of revenue coming from the activity is €317 million. And if you offset some currency effect, the pure gap will be €340 million. So the seeding plant has been designed to offset half of the gap. And half is coming from nonrelative personnel cost and the other half of the saving plan is coming from personnel costs. So the half coming from the non-personnel cost, the way I did it is I look at the cost structure for '19. And I say, because I'm keeping the commitment to maintain the EPS level and the same level the '19, the cost structure would be equivalent to '19. That's the way I did it, and I rebase the budget accordingly. And for the personal related costs, the commitment we took is point number one, we will not lay off. There is no reason at this stage to consider this. If the situation is going very bad, maybe we will have to reopen these discussions, but at this stage, there is no reason to do it. And why so? Because we want to keep the capacity we have. And as you know, in our sectors, hiring people, training people, take time, and it's a lot of investment we are doing. So if we can preserve this investment, it's the best things we can do. So nevertheless, I'm taking some measure. And the measure I'm taking is to maintain the same number of people, we have end of March for the rest of the year. So the way I will manage it is by being very selective on the hiring, and I will, to a certain extent, hire as much as people than the one we are needing. That's the way I'm going to do it. So if you compute those numbers, and you go to Page 48, you have the impact compared to the previous guidance. So for the new license, we are decreasing by 25 points, the guidance. Being plus 5% to 10% and now being minus 20% to minus 17%. If you look at the subscription and support, we are decreasing by 1.5, the guidance. So moving from 28 to 26, 27. And on the services side, we are decreasing by 13 points, so decreasing from 19% to between 5% to 7%. And you have, on the slides, the impact of it in euros. Moving to the operating expense, Page 49. You have the framework, I just explained to you. So we did almost €35 million savings in Q1, and I'm going to do €135 million savings for the rest of the year, and I already explained my saving plan. So if you go to Page 50, you have the variation of the revenue and the EPS. So moving from €4.840 billion to €4.5 billion and €4.55 billion, the new guidance at the revenue level. And on the EPS, moving from €4.15 to €4.20, to €3.65 to €3.62 -- €3.72, which is the new guidance for the EPS. And the last slide, which is 51. You have the numbers for 2020. I will not comment it again because I already did it. And you also have the guidance for Q2. And as I was telling you, I'm expecting a decrease on the new license between minus 28 and minus 31. Recurrent revenue, which is consistent with what we saw, to a certain extent, in Q1. I'm expecting the recurring revenue to be probably a little bit more impacted in H2 due to the lack of new license and probably the churn increasing a little bit. And the services revenue being minus 3% to plus 6%, depending if we are capable to work differently with some of our customers. On the operating margin, the operating margin will be between 25% and 26.5%, which leads to an EPS of €0.72 to €0.77 for Q2. Before to take the Q&A to open the Q&A session, a few additional things I would like to share with you. The first one, we'll do roadshow in the coming weeks, and I will participate to many virtual events. So we will have an opportunity to meet virtually and to discuss more in deep these presentations. The second thing is our annual meeting will be behind closed doors, but we will stay -- we will keep the date and the date is May 26. And last but not least, we decided to postpone the Capital Markets Day. It was initially planned to be mid-May -- mid-June, sorry, the 12th. And we came to the conclusion that not only was not probably the best usage of our time, the management time given the situations. But also, I think we will have much better visibility for the full year. And the goal of the Capital Market Day is to make a status on the plan, and I think we will be in a much better position to share some analysis and highlight at that time. So the new date is in November, at November 17, that's a new date for the Capital Market Day. That's it for me. Now we are ready to take the questions.
[Operator Instructions]. We will now take our first question, which comes from the line of Adam Wood from Morgan Stanley.
Maybe just, first of all, I wanted to possibly dig in on the Asian side of things. You've obviously got quite a big business in Asia. It was very helpful to see a little bit about what you're seeing at the end of the quarter. But maybe could you go into a little bit more detail there around how new licenses performed through the quarter? Any help on close rates, renewals on recurring? And then particularly over the last few weeks, what you've started to see in those countries as those lockdowns have ended and maybe business is probably not back to normal, but at least is starting to move in that direction? So any help of what we have learned from that in more detail would be really interesting. And then maybe just to dig in on the recurring revenue side, I guess a lot of investors would see the exposure you have, particularly to automotive and the auto supply chain and then possibly also to aero. And it would only take 1 or 2 points out of the recurring growth is a little ambitious. Again, maybe could you just go into a little bit more detail there, whether that's comparing to the financial crisis or explaining what you're seeing in those sectors to justify why that's realistic. And especially maybe talking about what you're thinking about from a new rental or new subscription business, that would also be useful. Bernard Charlès: Adam. So Pascal?
Yes. So I'm going to take probably the two questions. Bernard, feel free to add what you want. Asia, overall, the new license decreased by minus 20%. So -- and it was relatively consistent across the different countries. It was less in Japan. But if I look at Korea and China, it's also the same. However, the recurring revenue was strictly in line with our expectations, and that's a point which is probably good to notice. That when I was stating that the organic growth for the recurring revenue was at 5% overall, it's relatively consistent from all the different geos -- across the different geos. So there is no discrepancy and I do not have seen, specifically in China, the recurrent being under pressure in Q1, if it is the question. Related to the recurring revenue, the question is, as I was clearly stated, there are a few components. So you remember, the recurring revenue is composed by maintenance and support plus subscriptions. So the maintenance and support. Keep in mind that we renew 40% of the maintenance and support in Q1. So we still have 60 to renew for the rest of the year, but we are close to have down half, which is in the -- given the situation, probably not so bad. So that's point number one. Point number two, I do not expect to have churn on the large account, as I was clearly stating, but I do expect to have some churn on the midsized market. The same thing we saw in 28 and 29 because some of the company will probably go to bankruptcy, and I need to factor this. So that's the reason why I took an additional point. On the subscriptions, against the subscription is composed by renewal and growth. The growth will be impacted the same way than the new license. So when I gave it to you minus 30% in Q2, minus 20% in Q3. To a certain extent, you could extrapolate that the subscription will behave the same way. And for the renewal, the thinking process is exactly the same than the maintenance and support. I do expect to have an additional churn, probably much more spread across the large company and the small one because subscription, as you may know, it's relatively easy to adjust depending the capacity. I hope you have more the details.
Your next question comes from the line of Mohamed Moawalla from Goldman Sachs.
I had two as well. The first one was just on Medidata and the Life Sciences business. To what extent have the customer conversations were not changed versus, say, the initial point when you made the acquisition? And sort of as we have gone through the kind of current crisis, anything around decision-making cycles, sales cycles that you can kind of comment on? And to what degree, from a competitive standpoint, do you feel that you're kind of more differentiated? And then the second question was, again, more generally on kind of pipeline and visibility. Do you feel that the kind of license assumptions you have made at this stage in terms of that kind of gradual improvement. What are the kind of key risks around? Is it simply the duration of lockdown? But do you see some of your manufacturing customers, for example, really being able to go back to kind of decision-making perhaps as they were a few months ago? And would that not prolong into next year? Bernard Charlès: Thank you, Mo. Good to talk to you. Maybe I'll take the first one, Pascal, if you allow me. On the -- related to Dassault system and Medidata together, I participated to several reviews with the team, with Tarek and Glen to co-founder of Medidata, and we participated to top executive calls with the sector. A few observations that might be helpful for you. First of all, I think the they are recognized. We, collectively, now can set the conversation at the Executive Committee level of those companies. That's clearly a big step. That's the first thing. On the why is because very often, the clinical trial process is 1 piece which is, in some way, relatively isolated from the overall CEO preoccupation of a big pharma. Because basically, you have to think about the pipeline, you have to think about the commercialization. And you have to think about many aspects. And together, we can have a conversation on digital continuity across research, development, lab test, clinical trial production. That's visible. And in fact, it's visible on the agenda when we have the calls. That's -- so the broad connection and the reputation of Dassault Systèmes to provide collaborative platform to extremely large companies, for years now, on addressing extremely complex cost. The second thing is science. Clearly, what differentiates us, more, and I think everyone should and there is a cost to it is the fact that we focus on the science aspect, and it is illustrated very well in a few stages. Of course, on the merging and simulation side, but also in data science. And with [indiscernible] with Medidata, we do things for synthetic control arm that no 1 else can really do. Because you cannot do that from documents. So that's becoming visible. Of course, it takes time for these executive committees to make up their mind about how to evolve with their digital road map. But I think we are changing the game of their thought process. Synthetic control arm is -- was new, was going on when we acquired Medidata. And I think together, we are really concentrating on that. And the last point, My Medidata, the announcement today. That's part of the result of an intense passion needed conversation between the teams and really they love each other, the people love each other. And they know that if we make it so easy because the statistics for clinical trial for other medication, other therapeutics than the COVID situation, passion acquisition is becoming a massive problem for all the industry sector. In fact, it's a problem also for the health care system because, as you know, many people having other disease like in oncology sector or heart vascular have basically reduced their contact with the medical sector, exposing their own life. But clearly, the statistics shows that the clinic -- the passion acquisition is becoming something which is critical on which will expose the sector longer term, if we don't -- if they don't adopt the kind of platform we have. And I think that the framework analytics platforms continuity and the breakthrough of synthetic control arm because I believe that this is quite important. Related to the second question about the key parameters for the restart, Pascal, you have a view, but I want to make a few comments because I was talking with manufacturing, really deep manufacturing companies. Clearly, there is a work of work done by companies now to rethink about their supply chain. Of course, it was triggered by the sensitivity of the supply chain. Related to it. It's critical exposure. I mean, some of the players becoming bankruptcy. But at the same time, consolidation will happen in different sectors of manufacturing. The second thing we think is becoming more visible. And I cannot mention explicitly the case. But I think that there will be new mutualization of production capacity between competitors. In some way, when you are using supply chain, that's what is the factor which is happening. But -- and I think this will create the need for what we call manufacturing engineering to accelerate not only the product development process, but the manufacturing engineering, the very actual twin of how you produce and manage those topics are back. I was astonished how quickly they could be back on the agenda. And Pascal mentioned also the logistic aspect, which is becoming something that needs to be -- needs to evolve because the current infrastructure really -- if you think about it, the world is still highly static in some of those big gigantic sectors. It's set on it's very difficult to reshape it. I think this will change. There will be before on and after from that standpoint.
Regarding the pipeline, again, when I computed the number, I did a bottom up approach, not only a top down. From a pure bottom-up, we clean up the pipeline. And we took almost 1 by 1, all the deals we have. And where we are, we are almost 20% below compared to last year after this review. That's where it's coming from. From a behavior standpoint, what do we see? You're right, part of the plan is based on the fact that we have some duration for the lockdown. And we expect that the at least in mid countries between May and June, we will be able to restart completely either fully, but we start. And China gave some indications to us. As I was telling you, in the last months, I mean, we did some significant deals in China with large accounts is a sector where you are not expecting to have those kind of deals, like transportation and mobility. So it came to me as a question is why so. The why so is relatively easy to understand. To restart, you need to behave, you need to operate in a different way, and you need a lot of money and simulations to prepare what you want to do. So that's the reason why to come back to your questions, what -- if I look at the pipe, what has been impacted, really, it's all the large enterprise deals. All the people engaging large project transformations, because right now, the mindset is not yet there. It will come, again, due to the necessity of the crisis, but the mindset is not there. But the mindset is definitely there to buy some roles, processes in order to optimize, to reengineer, if you want, what you're going to do. And we saw a lot of a lot of add-on sales, if you want, on the existing customers, our expand base. And also, new customers is coming to us. And my last point to you more is if you compare to 28 and 29, there is a big difference. And the big difference is the following: 50% of the revenue of Dassault Systèmes now is coming from industry, which is not automotive and transportation, industrial equipment and aerospace and defense. And the other industry are relatively going well in this environment. So that's the 3 takeaways to the next time, if I look at the pipeline.
Your next question comes from the line of Julian Serafini from Jefferies.
I guess my first question is you made a comment earlier about the strong growth in the aerospace and defense protocol. And I guess, can you give us some more insight into what actually drove that? And my assumption is that this shouldn't persist through the rest of 2020, but it would be interesting to hear your take or your outlook for that vertical for the rest of the year. Bernard Charlès: I think the -- on the defense side, many countries are going to continue to fund significant progress silicon programs. Because it will be a way to also sustain the economy, not only the defense aspect, but the innovation. So we -- I think this is well -- quite well accepted in many observations of the economical sector. And we are benefiting from that, clearly, with the different contracts going on. That's probably one of the -- you remember, we are -- we continue to expand in the shipbuilding and defense sector. We continue to expand in highly sensitive specialized equipment in system engineering for defense. Those are things which will have value also for the civil activity. So difficult to say to predict per quarter, but the trend is more positive in that sector. Pascal?
There is maybe a second topic. And Bernard, you touched it. We will see consolidation in aerospace and defense, especially in the supply chain. And usually, when consolidation is happening, it's an open door for us because you need to integrate different systems, and you need to have the synergy, the cost synergy put in place very rapidly. And 3DEXPERIENCE platform is very valuable in this specific context. So I do expect the consolidation to trigger new programs for us.
And your next question comes from the line of Stacy Pollard from JPMorgan.
Two follow up. Well, for me, just maybe the competitive environment. Are you seeing any competitors struggling? Have you seen any changes at all in terms of pricing in the market? Or any activities that have been more or less aggressive than in the past? And second, just a question on the cloud. Do you think COVID-19 will accelerate the uptake of your cloud offerings? Maybe you can remind us what percentage of revenues, what you'd like to achieve and where you're going with that? Bernard Charlès: Stacy, and I know you are following us carefully. On competitors' behavior briefly, difficult. First of all, we -- because the reprofiling of the company and the recent moves that you are very aware of in the last 6 months, we are also learning from our side, the new landscape for the competitive landscape. And we are having an increased clarity about our how we should proceed to basically win. And Pascal mentioned several wins, which were, for example, when it comes to Medidata, significant wins of Medidata against Viva, as to name them. In the other aspect of the landscape. I think it's too early to say. But as you -- as we are announcing a major evolution of the product portfolio with the cloud platform, which is part of your second question that I will let Pascal address. The -- you -- I think we communicated at the 3DEXPERIENCE world that the evolution of SOLIDWORKS is with a package, which is fully connected to the cloud. It's happening midyear of this year, where basically the license enablement of the SOLIDWORKS desktop and services will be done mainly and only from the cloud. Because we believe that we -- for $37.50, we can have a better collaborative environment than Dropbox, Slack and WhatsApp. It's more secure, more integrated but we need to make it visible to the market. So to make it visible to the market, this is the approach, making it mainstream. So that's -- at this point in time, I think July will be better, Stacy, to give you more insights about the other trends. Nothing special on that aspect at this point in time.
So just to add a few things. So as you know, I'm not disclosing the revenue coming from the cloud and not because I want to hide it. It's because -- take the example of SOLIDWORKS. I mean, what we do? We are connecting the desktop installed base with three dexperence platform on the cloud. So the question is, how do I need to account this? So from a pure accounting standpoint, that's a little bit tricky. But to a certain extent, you have the strategic thinking behind. The second thing which is also key to notice is in this specific environment, many partners cannot visit anymore their customers because they cannot travel. So they, like us, they have to do it remotely. And more and more, they are using 3DEXPERIENCE as a channel to make it happen. And as you may know, you remember what I told you. The opportunity for us is now to have the partners promoting 3DEXPERIENCE platform and especially on the cloud because the vast majority of the revenue coming from side experience platform is still coming from the direct sales. This time frame is appropriate to make these transformations because this is definitely the function. It's the only way to do it and no one is arguing about potentially what could be the impact on my compensation, on my revenue plan and the way I will manage my cash flow because if they're not selling something, they're going to -- they will not have any cash flow. So that's probably one of the opportunity for us in this time frame is to accelerate these transformation through the indirect sales. Bernard Charlès: And there are partners, by the way, we are nearly fully aligned. I'm thinking about the 1 that I usually would avoid to name them to make too much depends, but I think Technico, for example, in Euro North, they are really fully in for the cloud.
And just kind of touching on that question about any pricing discounts or concessions being requested by customers? Or do you feel pretty good in your situation?
So point number one, when people are asking discounts, as you may know, and I was been explicit during the cash flow presentation, open the door to negotiate the terms of payments, but I do not want to change the discount policies. That's the way we behave right now. And the reason is because, again, if you look at what we do and you look at the situation, we are bringing to them a tremendous value. And our frustration, Bernard and I, is €1.5 trillion investment on our platform, and we are a €4.5 billion company. So to a certain time, the discount is not the point. So the fact for us to demonstrate that we are empatic with them. There is solidarity with our customers is to help them on the cash flow. That's the reason why I stated clearly that on a full year basis, I continue to have probably €200 million cash flow being postponed to 2021. Now, nevertheless, to Promote Cloud, that's right. We launched a marketing program whereby you have some incentive. If you are a newcomer, and you are starting with the cloud on the pricing for the first quarter. But we didn't change radically our pricing policy.
Our next question comes from the line of Stefan Slowinski from Exane BNP Pariba.
Pascal, just a follow-up question on the first question about the non-Medidata subscription revenues. I'm just wondering how you expect those renewals to evolve, I guess, going into next year. You mentioned the 1 extra point of churn for the smaller customers, potentially difficulty this year, but what about the larger customers? what scope do you see for them to potentially lower their subscription amounts? So maybe if you could help us understand the average time frame for those contracts? Are they rolling 1 year renewals that could be reduced on January 1 next year, for example? Or are they typically multiyear contracts, and therefore, there's maybe limited risk to those being reduced in terms of scope?
So for the large companies, the vast majority of them are multi-years contract. Okay. So to a certain extent, it's a way to be secure. There is probably 1 point I did not factor in my guidance is, as you may know, Boeing is going under tremendous pressure. And 2020 is a significant year for the ramp-up. So depending the situation for them, if they do not have the people on site, if the situation is complicating the ramp-up, maybe the ramp-up will be postponed. That's probably the only open point I have at this stage.
And what kind of impact would that have on yourselves? And what you still receive -- would you still book the revenue even if that ramp-up is postponed?
No, that's not the way we do. Bernard Charlès: We usually book the revenue and the license are used.
Yes. Remember, this year, we -- the plan is for Boeing. It's something I shared, it's plus €20 million for the full year. We did Q1 on plan. So assuming that Boeing is taking the decisions to ask us what -- to come to a compromise to adjust a little bit, potentially, the impact is around 10 than 2 50.
Okay. And has that been incorporated into your guidance already? Or is that potential?
No, because we are not there. And there are many things we can do for them. And as Bernard stated, we expect the governments to fund some difference program to help them. There is a lot of value to accelerate our expansion in this part of the company because you remember, we are the Defacto standard for the commercial side, but on the defense, we are substituting competitors' install base.
Okay. Okay, great. And maybe just 1 follow-up on the cash flow. Just to be clear, you mentioned the €200 million of potential headwind. I mean, just to be clear on the full year, what could we expect your -- on the current guidance, the cash flow from operations to be? And what about CapEx this year?
Our CapEx would not change. Because it's relatively consistent year-over-year. And I think 19 minus €200 million could be a good rate. Bernard Charlès: We'll take one last question.
And your last question comes from the line of Alexander Tout from Deutsche Bank.
Yes. Just a few quick ones. So could you please just confirm that your expectation around Medidata growth for FY '20 overall remains about the same at 13%? Or any change there? It looks like it might actually have been a bit stronger than that in Q1. Secondly, could you remind the percentage of the recurring revenue base that you consider to be mid-market customers? And just on the simulation performance, SIMULIA, in the first quarter and how you expect that to maybe perform over the remainder of the year? Bernard Charlès: Pascal?
Okay. So Medidata, the plan is still the same, plus 13% growth for the full year. And by the way, Q1, Medidata is right on this plan. So do not see 1 single reason to change it. Related to the recurring revenue coming from the main markets. Again, let's slice it. On 1 hand, you have the maintenance and support. And on the other hand, you have the subscriptions. For the maintenance and support, which represent almost close to 80% of the total recurring revenue. The percentage is equivalent to the percentage of the revenue coming from the different channels. So to a certain extent, 25%, 26% is coming from the mid-market. And for subscriptions, the vast majority is coming from the large corporations. Because you remember, it's solutions widely used in aerospace. And on in aerospace or the company, we are serving as a large one. I mean, with the subscription model. And the rest is coming from utilization. So the piece coming from the midsized market is not the bank. Do not have the numbers in mind, but it's somewhere around 10% to 15%. Bernard Charlès: So with that, thank you very much for -- thank you very much all of you for your questions. We have -- we are hosting another call in this afternoon at three year clock Paris time. You're always welcome if you have more questions. Thank you, and enjoy your day, and let's go through this crisis in the most safest way possible. Thank you very much, again, for your attention to follow Dassault Systèmes.