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Carnival Corporation & plc (CUKPF) Q4 2007 Earnings Call Transcript

Published at 2007-12-20 17:02:37
Executives
Howard Frank - VC and COO David Bernstein - SVP and CFO Micky Arison - Chairman and CEO Beth Roberts - VP of IR
Analysts
Felicia Hendrix - Lehman Brothers Robin Farley - UBS Michael Savner - Banc of America Securities Tim Conder - Wachovia Securities Assia Georgieva - Infinity Research Jamie Rollo - Morgan Stanley Hakan Ipekci -Merrill Lynch Mark Greenberg - AIM Fund Edward Stanford - Cazenove David Leibowitz – Burnham Scott Barry - Credit Suisse Bart Glenn - AIM Investments
Operator
Welcome tothe Carnival Corporation's Fourth Quarter Year End Conference Call. (OperatorInstructions). As a reminder, this conference is being recorded Thursday,December 20, 2007. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. HowardFrank, Vice Chairman and Chief Operating Officer. Please go ahead, sir.
Howard Frank
Good morning. Good morning, everyone. This is Howard Frankand with me this morning here in Miamiis Micky Arison, Chairman and CEO of Carnival Corporation, David Bernstein, SeniorVP and CFO, and Beth Roberts, our Vice President of Investor Relations. To start off the discussion this morning, David will giveyou some color on the fourth quarter of 2007 and talk a little bit about ourcost metrics going forward into 2008 and then he will turn it back over to meand I will discuss our outlook for 2008. David?
David Bernstein
Thank you, Howard. I will begin the conference call byreading the forward-looking statement which we have done in the past. Duringthis conference call we will make certain forward-looking statements. Suchforward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties orother factors which may cause the actual results, performances or achievementsof Carnival to be materially different from any future results performances orachievements expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. Forfurther information please see Carnival's earnings press release and itsfilings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. For the fourth quarter 2007 our EPS was $0.44 per share, andthis compares to $0.51 per share for 2006. For the full year, our earnings pershare was a record $2.95 in comparison to 2006, which was $2.77. Our EPS forthe fourth quarter came in at the high end of our previous guidance and thisresulted from stronger pricing on bookings taken close to the departure, whichwas partially offset by higher than expected fuel expense. Looking more closely at our fourth quarter operatingresults. Our capacity increased 7.5% with the majority of the increase going toour European brand. Net revenue yields in current dollars increase 4.9% for thequarter. In constant dollars, which eliminates the effects of currency ratechanges, net revenue yield increased 1.1%. This was higher than the previousguidance we gave which we said would be flat for the quarter. And as I said amoment ago, we saw a stronger pricing on close-in booking. Overall in the fourth quarter, we saw yield improvements inour North American brands driven by the continued recovery in the Caribbean which was somewhat offset by lower yields inconstant dollars in our European brands. However, keep in mind that Europeanbrands are still achieving solid results, despite the lower yields operatingincome in constant dollars for our European brands was up for the quarter. I am also glad to report that Chinese yields improvedsignificantly in the fourth quarter as they did in the third quarter, driven byboth price and occupancy and this resulted again from the decision to shift oursourcing strategy for Costa Asia. On the cost side, our cruisecosts available per lower berth day in current dollars was up 12.4% in thefourth quarter. However, in constant dollars, cruise costs per lower berth daywere up 8.4%. Fuel prices this year were higherthan the fourth quarter last year and that cost us about $90 million extradollars. Dry-dock timing that benefited usearlier in the year turned around in the fourth quarter as we expected to thetune of $19 million. Therefore, excluding dry-dock and fuel and in constantdollars cruise cost per available lower berth day was up 3.4%. This was drivenby some significant inflationary pressures in food, wages, crew, travel andother areas. As I said before, the best measure of cruise costs are on anannual basis and I will touch on that in a moment. For the full year 2007, our EPS,as I said, was $2.95, which by the way was within original guidance that wegave a year ago of $2.90 to $3.10 per share. There were lots of pluses andminuses from this guidance. So, one of the main drivers for the differencebetween the actual results and the midpoint to the guidance was fuel, which wasworth $0.08 per share, as our actual fuel cost came in at $361 per metric tonversus last year's guidance of $339 per metric ton. For 2007, our capacity was up 8.4%. Net revenue yields incurrent dollars was up 2.2%. In constant dollars they were down 0.7% and thatwas driven by the results in the first half of 2007. The yield results werealso within the range of our guidance that we gave one year ago of flat to downslightly. [Ticket] yields in constant dollars was down 1.8% and thatwas also driven by the results in the first half. However, keep in mind thatthe sale of Swan Hellenic and Windstar branddecreased our [ticket] yields by 0.4% as these brands achieved higher yields onaverage. The sale of Swan Hellenic and Windstar willcontinue to affect our year-over-year comparisons through the second quarter of2008. On the other hand, onboard and other yields in constant dollars was up3%. As I indicated before, the best measure of cruise costchanges are on an annual basis. The cruise cost per available lower berth dayin constant dollars was up 1.7% for the year. Excluding fuel, and again inconstant dollars, they were up 1% for 2007. So, our controllable expenses grewat a rate of 1%, which is significantly less than the overall rate ofinflation. We've seen inflationary pressures in food, wages, crew travel andother areas, much of which we have been able to offset during the year throughincreased efficiency. Before I turn to the outlook, let me talk a little bit aboutour use of free cash flow. During the fourth quarter of 2007, we closed onIberocruceros joint venture investing $402 million. We repurchased 5 millionshares of stock at a cost of $220 million and increased our dividend by $0.05per or the equivalent of $0.20 per share on an annual basis. This brings the cumulative amount of share repurchases anddividend increases over the last three years to 36 million shares repurchasedat a cost of $1.6 billion, and increases in annual dividends of $1 per sharefrom $0.60 to $1.50 on an annual basis. As we look forward, we expect to continue to return excesscash to shareholders by increasing the dividends inline with earnings growthand by opportunistically repurchasing shares, but always within the context ofmaintaining our A-/A3 credit rating. Turning to our fourth quarter outlook. I will skip the net revenueyields as Howard will discuss that in a few moments. On the cash side cruisecosts per available lower berth day in current dollars is expected to up 5.5% to6.5% for the full year. However, excluding fuel and in constant dollars, weexpect cost to be flat to down slightly. For the full year, based on the forward curve, fuel pricesare projected to be $486 per metric ton, and so for 2008 we see additional costof $409 million or $0.50 a share. You could now better understand why we wentahead and announced the fuel supplement for 2008. However, overall for 2008 we are forecasting ourcontrollable unit expenses excluding fuel and currency to be flat to down slightly,following a pretty good year in 2007 and exceeding our long-term target of unit[cost] quarterbetween flat and one-half [installation]. And looking at 2008, there are some positive and negativethings that will affect our costs. On the negative side, there are still somepretty good amount of inflationary pressure on such items as food and wages.But this should be offset on the positive side by capacity increases. With much of the capacity going to our European brands whichgenerally are in smaller size than our North American brands, this will allowus to achieve larger economies of scale from the capacity addition. However, alsoon the negative side, fuel prices remain volatile. So, on balance, assuming no unforeseencircumstances or events, we are optimistic that we can continue our excellentrecord of cost control in 2008. At this point I will turn the call back over to Howard.
Howard Frank
Thank you, David. Before I move to our outlook for 2008, Iwanted to tell you what an extraordinary celebration we had last week at thenaming ceremony for the new Queen Victoria.It was in Southampton, England. Camilla Parker Bowles, theDuchess of Cornwall and Prince Charles christened the new Queen Victoria in front ofseveral thousand guests. The event received worldwide media coverage and willprovide significant benefits to Cunard brand for many years to come. As you know, earlier this year we announced the venerable QE2will retire at the end of 2008. And we contracted to build the new Queen Elizabethwhich will be delivered in 2010, actually the replacement ship but somewhatlarger than the QE2. We are delighted with the performance of Cunard Line, Ishould add and brand fully global and its market reach. It's well positioned atthe high-end of the cruise market on both sides of the Atlanticand we are confident we can grow this brand profitably in the future. I would also like to highlight another important businessstrategy that we touched on in the press release, and which we believe will haveboth short term and long-term benefits to the company. Last week we announcedthe sizing up of our China, Asia deployment for 2009, the Costa Classica whichcan carry up to 1,680 passengers, would be moved to the Asia market in thespring of 2009 to join the Costa Allegra which has been in Asia for a couple ofyears now. The Classica will be moved in tothe China market and the Allegrawill be moved to Singaporeand operate cruises throughout Southeast Asia.We have been encouraged by the very positive response we are receiving fromthese new markets and believe that as we expand our footprint in Asia, we can establish ourselves as one of the leadingvacation companies in this increasingly important part of the world. While I'min that part of the world, below the equator, Australia and New Zeeland has alsobecome an increasingly important market for us. But to continue the strengtheningof the Australiaeconomy, we have sized up the P&O Australian fleet through the addition ofthe Pacific Dawn in November of 2007, which formerly was the Regal Princess.This larger ship will replace the older and smaller Pacific Star, which hasbeen sold into Europe and to a European touroperator. Also in November 2007, the SunPrincess was moved to year-round deployment in the Australia and Asian market, and theAustralia New Zealand market. Both the Pacific Dawn and the Sun Princess hadbeen well received and booking have been strong. Now turning to 2008, in addition to theQueen Victoria, several new ships will be entering service in 2008, let me justreview those with you. In April P&O's Venturathe first 3000 passenger ship fully dedicated to the U.K. market will be introduced, theAIDA Bella, the second AIDA, [LIBA] class ship for the German speaking marketwill also begin selling in April. However, America’s Eurodam will enter service in earlyJuly and stay in Europe. Carnival CruiseLine's newest ship, the Carnival Splendor will also enter service in July anduntil at least initially, the Northern European itineraries, and later in thefall of 2008, the Princess Cruise line and will be Princess will be introduced.So, all-in-all, there are five new ships for 2008 [employment]. With these new deliveries fleet-wide, capacity for 2008 isexpected to increase by approximately 9%, with North American brand capacity up3.4% and Europe brand capacity up 21.7%.Included in that 21.7% is Ibero cruises which represents 1.6% of the overallincrease of 9%, but this 1.6% of the 9% -- you Ibero out of it, our overallcapacity increase is 7.4% for the year for the entire group. Looking at the booking picture for all the 2008 across thefleet, we are now five points ahead, these are occupancy points, ahead of 2007and that's on a capacity adjusted basis. So the booking picture is quite strongat this time, and ticket pricing for these bookings are 7.5% higher than a yearago. On a constant dollar or a local currency basis, that would be 4.3% ahead.Although we have a 9% capacity increase in 2008, we have less inventory at thistime left to sell through the reminder of the year. While North American brands bookings and pricing are wellahead of last year and we are focusing on a strong increase in North Americanrevenue yield for 2008, pace of Caribbeanbookings has been strong with higher pricing, and we expect strong growth inNorth American Caribbean yield in the year. Our European brands bookings patterns for 2008 sailingscontinue to remain strong, with occupancy and pricing running nicely ahead oflast year, on a capacity adjusted basis. We are currently forecasting netrevenue yields for European brands to be higher year-over-year, largely becauseof the forecasted strength of the European currency against the dollar. On alocal currency basis we are expecting flat yields, which given the 21.7%increase in European brand capacity is an excellent result for us. So, all-in-all, the booking picture looks quite strong for2008, and we are currently forecasting net revenue yields on a corporate-widebasis to increase 4.5% to 5.5%, and on a local currency basis in the range of3% to 4%. This assumes a Euro rate of a $1.44 and pound rate of 2.02 for the2008. As David commented earlier, our manageable costs are wellunder control, next year, however, based on the forward curve fuel prices areexpected to increase significantly. Effect of the increase in fuel prices willbe more profound in the first quarter of 2008 and will gradually even eachsucceeding quarter versus the 2007 year, when fuel prices gradually increase ineach successive quarter of 2007. By using the forward curve, which is how we position thefuel going forward. In the first quarter, the fuel price increase will cost us$0.18 a share, in the second quarter $0.16 a share, in Q3 $0.11, and in Q4 $0.5or a total cost of fuel increase of $0.50 a share that David mentioned for2008. Some degree stronger Euro and Sterlingrevenues have helped to mitigate the increase in fuel prices. So at least tothis degree we have had a partial hedge against fuel price increases, and ofcourse the recently instituted fuel supplement for our U.S. brands togetherwith a fuel supplements implemented by our European brands also serves tomitigate a portion of our fuel price increases. So summing it all up for 2008, we expect to have strongrevenue yield improvements, somewhat offset by higher fuel prices and withother manageable cost to be flat in constant dollars year-over-year. And basedon this, as we indicated in the press release, we are presently guidingearnings per share in the range of $3.10 to $3.30 for the entire year of 2008. Now let me give you some color oneach of the three quarters. Overall capacity for first quarter is expected toincrease by 10.6%. In North America, our fleetcapacity will be up 5.7% in the first quarter. Caribbeanrepresents approximately 62% of North American first quarter inventory versus68% a year ago. So we are a down about six points. The balances spread of other itinerary spread amongst theMexican Riviera, Panama Canal, and variouslong and exotic cruises. The Caribbean andvirtually all other trades are showing higher year-over-year prices. So thistime booked occupancies are approximately two points ahead year-over-year, andpricing as well ahead of last year. So there is very little inventory left tosell to close out the first quarter, and we expect that pricing for all NorthAmerican brands will be nicely higher year-over-year. In Europe, our capacity is up 21% year-over-year in thefirst quarter, the 38% of Europe capacity in the Caribbean which isapproximately the same as last year, 12% and world cruises are down from 15% ayear ago, 22% is in Europe, which was down 24%from a year ago and the balances in various other itineraries. It's a good time, Europe occupancies in the first quarterare up a little over two points year-over-year and pricing is higher, despitethe 21% capacity increase in the quarter, Europebrand bookings have been strong, and we expect first quarter yields to behigher over 2007 in the range of flat on a local currency basis. As indicated in the press release on a corporate wide basis,we expect net revenue yields in the first quarter to increase in the range of6.5% to 7.5% and 4% to 5% on a local currency basis. Costs are expected toincrease by approximately 12.5% to 13.5%, and 10% to 11% on a local currencybasis. Cruise costs excluding fuel are expected to increase in the firstquarter about 2% on a local currency basis. In addition, a few higher firstquarter costs are larger, the result of the timing of drive backward andcertainly other expenses. As previously mentioned, fuelprice increases are expected to have the biggest impact in the first quarter,and that will cost us about $0.18 a share, based on the forward curve rightnow. As a result, we are guiding earnings for the first quarter in the range of$0.29 to $0.31 a share versus $0.35 a year ago. Turning to the second quarter,our fleet-wide second quarter capacity is up approximately 8%. For our NorthAmerican brand second quarter capacity is up 2.1%. North American brand's Caribbean capacity is 52% of second quarter capacity,which is down from 55% in the 2007. [Mexican] really earns about 13% versus 11%a year ago, with the remaining North Americacapacity spread amongst the various other trades. At this time, North Americanbrand occupancies in the second quarter are running six points ahead of lastyear on a capacity adjusted basis, with pricing also nicely up year-over-year.Based on the strength of second quarter bookings, we are currently forecastingthat yield in the second quarter for North American brand will be in line withthe increases that we are now forecasting for the or guiding for the firstquarter of 2008. Turning to Europe,our European brand capacity in the second quarter is up 23% year-over-year.European brand cruises are [57%] in Europe versus 52% a year ago, 16% in theCaribbean possibly the same as last year and the balance spread in variousother itineraries. At this time, European brand occupancies are higher by aboutone point on a capacity adjusted basis with pricing also higher year-over-yeareven with between 23% capacity increase that I referred to. Similar to the first quarter, weare forecasting second quarter European yield to be significantly higher thanon a local currency basis to be flat approximately flat year-over-year. Oncorporate wide basis for the second quarter, we are estimating that increase innet yields will be approximately the same level as we are now guiding for thefirst quarter of 2008. Turning to the third quarter, fleet wide capacity in thethird quarter is expected to increase by 8.8%, and while booking trends in thethird quarter are quite encouraging, it's still really early and we have a longway to go before the quarter closes out and I add that as a word of caution. North American brand capacity up 1.5%, in the third quarterapproximately 37% of that capacity is Caribbean, which is down from 41% in2007, 29% in Alaska which is approximately thesame as last year, 22% in Europe which is upfrom 18% last year, and the balance in various other itineraries. Although it's still early, the third quarter in NorthAmerican booking pattern is very encouraging; bookings are seven points aheadwith pricing currently flat year-over-year. Although it's still early given theyear-over-year improvement in occupancies, we are optimistic that we will havesolid yield improvements for North American brands in the third quarter. European brand capacity is up 24.3% year-over-year in thethird quarter, primarily in the U.K.with the addition of Cunard's New Queen Victoria and P&O's Venturaand in Germanywith the addition of AIDA Bella to the AIDA fleet. Approximately 95% ofEuropean brand fleet itineraries are in European waters in the third quarter. CurrentlyEuropean occupancies are three points -- seven points ahead year-over-year, andpricing is running well ahead of last year on a capacity adjusted basis.Similar to Q1 and Q2, we are forecasting high yields for our European brand andflat yields on a local currency basis. As I mentioned, it's still earlier in the pattern, we have along way to go before [the] quarter closes, but the early booking trends areencouraging and based on this, we are forecasting increased third quarter yieldby the time the third quarter closes. And with those comments, operator, I am going to turn itback to you to open the floor for questions.
Operator
Thank you. (Operator Instructions). A moment please for the firstquestion and it comes from the line of Ms. FeliciaHendrix, Lehman Brothers. Please go ahead, ma'am. Felicia Hendrix - Lehman Brothers: Hi. Good morning, guys. I have a few questions on these fuelsurcharges. The first is, Howard, I know that fuel surcharges get implemented startingthis February. So, for the full year the net yield guidance that you havegiven, does that include these surcharges or not?
Howard Frank
Yes it includes. It includes all revenue including therevenue we get from the fuel supplements. Yeah. Felicia Hendrix - Lehman Brothers: Supplements. Sorry, so…
Howard Frank
It's all inclusive number. That's correct. Felicia Hendrix - Lehman Brothers: So is there a way to indicate to us or to give us sometransparency, the breakout, kind of what the real yields are versus thesupplement?
Howard Frank
Not really, because when the brands actually put the fuel supplementinto their numbers, they just gave us guidance based on the overall revenuenumbers, the yield revenue numbers they expect to get. So, while itincorporates the fuel supplements, there is no way you are really knowing as tohow much of the fuel supplement will actually capture in the overall yieldnumber. Because it may be that there could become deterioration in yield as aresult of putting a fuel supplement in terms of overall yield. So, there is noway knowing. All we can tell you is what the overall yield improvement is goingto look like.
Micky Arison
Felicia, this is Micky. We could also tell you that if wecollect the full fuel supplement from every passenger it would equate to about1.5% of the yield improvement. Felicia Hendrix - Lehman Brothers: Okay. But, that's assuming the full 14 days, is that whatyou mean?
Micky Arison
Yeah, correct. Felicia Hendrix - Lehman Brothers: Yeah.
Micky Arison
Based on the booking pattern, the brands give us an overallrevenue and they don't make the attempt to breakout what is various pieces ofthe revenue going forward. It's impossible to tell because the reality is whenyou bake it together and charge your customer you charge him one price. Felicia Hendrix - Lehman Brothers: Right. But, it's fair to say just based on what you said,assuming the full, it's probably something less than 1.5% in reality correct?
Micky Arison
It can't be something more. Felicia Hendrix - Lehman Brothers: Right, right.
Micky Arison
It can only be 1.5% or something less. Felicia Hendrix - Lehman Brothers: Okay, just clarifying. And then also when you all gave theEPS impact for fuel each quarter, that's also inclusive, that's after thesupplement?
Micky Arison
Supplement is in the revenue, it has nothing to do with thecost.
Howard Frank
It's separate from the book revenue. Felicia Hendrix - Lehman Brothers: Okay, so the $0.50 number is separate?
Micky Arison
Correct. Felicia Hendrix - Lehman Brothers: Okay, and then absorb therefore in the revenue line, so it'snet-net all there. Okay, that's it. Thanks.
Micky Arison
You're welcome.
Howard Frank
You're welcome.
Operator
And our next question comes from line of Robin Farley fromUBS. Please go ahead. Robin Farley - UBS: Thanks. Yeah, just some, I guess one quick clarification onthe fuel supplement. Internally your expectations for yields go up by a 0.5since you introduced the fuel surcharge.
Micky Arison
No, I think we just explained that. The various brand basedon their booking pattern gave us the overall… Robin Farley - UBS: So, I realize it's in your guidance. I just wondered whatyou would have said internally that expectations you are collecting before youannounced this surcharge if they changed. In another words your internalexpectations did change.
Micky Arison
No.
Howard Frank
No, we are probably not sure as we answer, because we don'tknow.
Micky Arison
Each brand did their own forecast based on their bookingpattern and each brand may have had different expectations at the time weannounced it, but overall… Robin Farley - UBS: Okay. So, in another words, you don't know whether that wasadded in or not. You are not comparing to an expectation before your fuelsurcharge announcement?
Howard Frank
That's right. Robin Farley - UBS: Okay. So...
Howard Frank
That's fair. Robin Farley - UBS: Okay. So, that clarifies. Thanks. And then also I want...
Howard Frank
I want an answer for this North America,yields or overall...
David Bernstein
Overall.
Micky Arison
Overall, overall. Robin Farley - UBS: Okay. And then can you comment on the proposals for potentialchange and sabotage, how that could effect cruises that touch on Hawaii?
Micky Arison
The present proposal that customs and border patrol has askedus to comment on would require -- basically would not enable us to operate thepresent itineraries from Southern California to Hawaii and we are making those comments rightnow. I mean, basically right now they are targeting 15 day round trip cruisesfrom Southern California to Hawaii.The negative impact will be devastating to Los Angelesand particularly San Diego.If it applies beyond Hawaii it would also bedevastating to places like Seattle, Key West and other US ports. In all those situations, though, we have alternative itinerariesthat we can operate. So, the real damage will be felt in US ports. We even havea letter for the Visitors and Convention authority in Hawaiithat positions it as the negative for Hawaii.So, the reality is there are alternative itineraries. Clearly, if they supplybeyond Hawaii we could operate from Vancouver instead of Seattleas we did in the past. Or we can operate these cruises out of Ensenada as we did in the past. So, there arealternatives for us, but it unfortunately put some US ports out of business. Robin Farley - UBS: Okay. Great. Thank you.
Operator
And our next question comes from the line of Michael Savnerwith Banc of America Securities. Please go ahead. Michael Savner - Bancof AmericaSecurities: Good morning. Thanks. Two questions, if that's okay. First,can you talk a little bit more about your confidence in the European market,waiting beyond given significant capacity increases? Obviously, it's been areal sustainable market for you in recent years offsetting the Caribbean. But yields are showing some signs of maturityand is this, maybe I would ask differently, what evidence is there that thereis still an enormous untapped market or have the days have real solid yieldincreases, maybe as that set aside for a little while the market digest the newcapacity?
Howard Frank
I think, Michael, if you are growing your markets, andbroadly speaking by high teens or 20% and you can achieve, let's say, flatyields on a year-over-year basis, you are doing very, very well. You probablydon't even need to try, the yield managers in those markets don't even try toget higher yields. They are happy to get the flat yields and continue to growthe market. Because what happens in those businesses, of course, the costmetrics, as you expand your fleets and you are putting in larger ships, itgives you huge advantage from an operating line standpoint. So, the idea is, the strategy is, to grow those markets withmore capacity and then over time you will probably feel you've slowed thegrowth which you want. The markets are still rather immature, they are lessthen 1% penetrated with exception in the UKwhich are little bit over 1% compared to over 3% in the US. So, there is huge opportunityto grow in Europe. The demographics arestrong. The length of vacations that Europeans are taking is strong.The baby boomer generation is as evident in Europe as it is here in the US, interms of why our markets are so strong here in US right now for cruising. Sothat part of their market is growing as well, so it's just overall a verystrong market. But we are happy to get, I don't think we are striving toachieve substantial increase in yields here, we are happy to get same yields ifwe can achieve that. And I know you are right, we are benefiting also from thecurrency, but that's above and beyond what we need to do to get to make it workfor us.
Micky Arison
I don't agree with the whole premise of your question.Reality is we are growing with European brands and European markets at a veryrapid rate and the absorption has been virtually painless and it’s been anamazing story of how these brands have grown. And remember at the time of themerger, there was very little growth anticipated for those markets. P&O hadno new ships under contract, AIDA had new ships under contract, the only growthwas Costa, which was a brand on the Carnival side that was growing rapidly. Butwe made the decision at the time of the merger of taking advantage of reallythe unique brand positioning we had in Europe and leveraging those brands, andit's a strategy that has worked beautifully for us. Michael Savner - Bancof AmericaSecurities: Thanks that's very helpful. I wasn't actually implying thatthe guidance was disappointing more. I just wanted get a sense of how you thinkabout the capacity and the yields overtime. So that answered that question.
Micky Arison
I think it’s also important to point out that in thisquarter we ordered two additional ships for Costa and two additional ships forAIDA, which shows a great deal of confidence in those market. Michael Savner - Bancof AmericaSecurities: Moving over to TUI for a second, because that's still arelationship I believe you still have, but obviously RCL has taken off whereyou left off. They have taken over. You had said on your last conference callthat while, I think it was that, TUI isn't your biggest distributor in Germany,they are still a very important partner. How can we expect that to change if atall going forward with RCI having their new deal with TUI?
Micky Arison
First of all, I don't expect to change it all, but just togive a sense. For AIDA brand which obviously is our overwhelmingly largest Germanbrand, TUI owned retail offices, we don't deal with tour operators by the way,we don't deal with the TUI tour operator in Germany in AIDA. But their ownedretail operation represents 7% of our business. But we don't expect that tochange, and I can tell you that in the U.K. where Royal Caribbean has a JV withthe now TUI/First Choice retail distribution, they continue to sell all our UKbrands, and it's very common in Europe for retail distribution to sell all theproducts out there. So we don't see a problem. I would like to comment on the concept of your question. Imean the concept we had with TUI, with utilizing the TUI brand and how we weregoing to do that is quite different than what's being proposed now. And there'sbeen a lot of commentary that basically RCI step into our shoes, but reality iswe had a deal with TUI that they would have taken 5% of our overall Germanbusiness building up to 25% and building on the back of our existinginfrastructure. The present JV is a 50-50 JV, similar to what is being donein the U.K.with First Choice. And at the time that we started to talking to TUI, AIDAbrand had three new ships, one old ship, and we were beginning to build andthis was two years ago. And the JV that RCI and TUI are talking about wouldhave its first ship earliest in '11 where AIDA would already be eight new shipfleet in a very, very strong market position in Germany. So, quite differentscenarios, I believe, the one common denominators both we and RCI saw anopportunity of leveraging the TUI brand and I think that's correct. Michael Savner - Bancof AmericaSecurities: Thanks very much.
Operator
And our next question comes from line Tim Conder withWachovia. Please go ahead. Tim Conder - WachoviaSecurities: Thank you. A couple of questions. First of all, thanks youfor the clarification on Europe, I know thereis a lot of confusion out there among investors on that. But regarding Europe, what level would yields have to fall in currentdollars before your operating profit per available lower berth day would beflat?
David Bernstein
I don't think we know the answer to that question.
Howard Frank
And I don't think we care, because we are forecasting slightyields in constant dollars and believe that's a very [chaste] forecast and theirbooking patterns are extremely strong right now. Tim Conder - WachoviaSecurities: Okay. I guess you are just asking the significance -- justsort of another way to ask global significance of leverage as you are gettingon the capacity growth over there. The other thing is related to theassumptions with the fuel surcharge. Micky, you gave us some color as to theyhad about 1.5% on yields assuming a 100%. Are you seeing any resistance at allto the fuel surcharge at this point?
Micky Arison
Sure. Obviously when you announce something like this youare going to have a certain percentage of people that are going to complaintabout it and are going to be unhappy about it. And I would say that that 99% ofboth travel agents and consumers accepted it with no issue, no problem. 1%probably sent us some level of complaint and one-tenth of 1% were vehement complainers. Now recognizing that we probably had 2 million people on thebooks, that's a lot of people, even one-tenth of 1%. But when you look atbooking patterns pre-installs the period of the surcharge, that's really withthe exception of a slight blip in cancellation thereafter was announced and Imean really slight blip, otherwise it went very, very smoothly, probably farbetter than we anticipated at the time of the announcement.
Howard Frank
I won't -- Yes this is Howard. I went through thecancellations with one of the brands yesterday as a result of implementing afew supplements, and you can barely see the difference between last year'scancellation and this year's cancellation during the period. It's really de minimums.So, it's really—well it seems to be – many people by and large accept thenotion that the fuel prices escalated very dramatically in the fourth quarterthat — we are not the only industry that I think (inaudible) supplement, Ithink people understand it.
Micky Arison
I think, when you are looking at the time of the announcementthe fuel was pushing a $100, and today we basically told you we are talkingabout $400 million from the company. I think people overall understand andrecognize that we are asking them to participate in a very small piece of theincrease. Tim Conder - A.G.Edwards & Sons: Okay. And lastly any color on Asia,are you reaching operating profit there yet, and the contribution in thequarter is expected for '08 to yield?
Howard Frank
Asia was never expected todeliver with one ship, 800 or so passenger ship operating in its own marketwith its own brand with a high degree of distribution and marketing cost. We'venever expected to make a profit. It was going to be an investment for us solong as we only had one ship in the region, Tim. So, until we size up the twoships and I don't – and it will continue to be an investment, although,obviously, as yields have strengthened the investment has gone to lesser or so,[baked] into of course overall numbers is an embedded investment in Asia during 2008 and in the beginning part of 2009 untilthe second ship gets in.
Micky Arison
But the improvements have been dramatic and that's obviouslythe reason why we felt we can go ahead and size up a larger ship like the CostaClassica can drive a profit out of Asia. Tim Conder - A.G.Edwards & Sons: Great, great. Thank you and congratulations.
Operator
Next question comes from the line of Assia Georgieva withInfinity Research. Please go ahead Assia Georgieva -Infinity Research: Good morning. One question which I've asked before and wehave seen the obviously yield and stronger bookings since June of this year.And Micky you had tried to answer that before, but I wonder have you done anymore analysis why this year when the macro headwinds are much more significantthan an year ago, we are actually seeing such positive developments. Andobviously I welcome them, I just have been asked numerous times what the reasonsfor those would be and I am not sure that I have a good answer.
Micky Arison
That makes two of us.
Howard Frank
I think as we sat down and talk about what's going on in thelarger economy and what's going on in our business and try to figure out a rationaleas to why our performance continues to be strong and the overall economycontinues to show signs of weakening, all we can give you is our hypothesis onwhat we think that's happening. And I think there are several things that arehappening. But I think broadly speaking you need to understand that a third ofour business today is global, it comes outside of the US. So, we are only focusing onthat two-thirds of our business which is North American based. And as we've indicated over the last several years, wecontinue to see growth in that part of the market where (inaudible) was a retiring,a greater [wealth] effect that occurs every year in the US, and that to a largerdegree our premium brands and our luxury brands are focused on, on that verystrong part of the growing market. So while the overall economy is showing signs of weakness, Idon't really believe it affects that consumer to any significant degree, andthen when go down to more of our mid-market products for the shorter cruises.Well, I think that part of the business probably is more susceptible to aslowdown in the economy. I think what happens is that people trade down to alower priced cruise. So, I think in past years we've seen tremendous resiliencyin that part of the market as we've gone through periods of slowing economiesand even through periods of recession. And that's not to say that we are immunefrom the recession, we'll feel the effects it will probably be in that part ofthe business. But at this point in time as you indicated Caribbeanbusiness is quite strong, and continues to show no abatement in terms of ourability to get good prices.
Micky Arison
You have to always remember that we are talking in the contextof comparing to prior year or prior two years and we came off very difficultperiod post-Katrina where Caribbean yields were very, very poor. And so, we aredealing in the Caribbean when we are talkingabout strong improvements in yields. We are talking off of relatively easycomparables where yields were pretty low, and so we are starting to recover andare recovering and seeing those yield improvements because we started from arelatively low based post Katrina. Assia Georgieva -Infinity Research: But, Micky, when I look at the numbers in Q4 of '07 theylook better than Q4 of '06 when we were down quite significantly, especiallyfirst time cruiser markets in the traditional Caribbean and at this point thatwe are ahead of Q4 of '05. So, it seems that there are some significant gooddeal wins for the industry. And, again, I am just struggling with the reasonwhy and the demographic shift have obviously been taking place for a few years,then all of the sudden the last six months have been so good for…
Micky Arison
I think we are far better off just explaining to you ourbooking pattern and allowing you to discuss those issues with your economist,because you are asking macroeconomic questions that at least from my knowledgeI can't speak for everybody at the table. My knowledge is basically the cruiseindustry and that's where we can react. I mean, we have seen cycles in thisbusiness over 35 years that have not related to anything macroeconomically andI have seen it over and over and over again. I have seen good times with very,very high capacity increases and I have seen weak times with very low capacityincreases. I have seen the same thing in economic times that were good and bad.These cycles are to some degree inexplicable, but they are real and we are justtelling you what we see in the booking patterns.
Howard Frank
If you have [bold insights] let met know because then we canuse it for the next call. But, obviously we can only kind of think of what'shappening, why are we performing as strongly as we are in the weakeningeconomy. And we don't really have the good answer other then good valuerelative to other vacations. That people are really stressed out and need totake their vacations, it's a higher priority that it was years ago, takingvacations. As husband and wives are working now and they need to get time offand there is a lot of that going on, I think, in terms of cycle traffic thatare affecting our business. I do think that as we've gotten now two years awayfrom that devastating hurricane season, and Micky has said this in the past, Ithink that has really helped our business as well.
Micky Arison
I also think, and we probably don't do this enough, we haveto give credit to our brand management teams. I mean, they are doing anoutstanding, outstanding job whether it's our teams in mainland Europe and Italy and Germanyor UK or the managements inthe United States.I mean they have been doing an outstanding job. Assia Georgieva -Infinity Research: Well, I feel a lot better now that I am not the only one whodoesn't understand the [weather]. So, thank you very much. Thank you. That wasthe only question I had.
Howard Frank
Okay. Thank you, it’s all that.
Operator
And our next question comes from the line of Jamie Rollowith Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Jamie Rollo - MorganStanley: Yeah, thanks. Good morning. Just had a couple of questionson your guidance, please. You have given full year yield growth of 3% to 4%next year, but of 4 to 5 infirst half. That could imply quite a big slowdown in the second half. Is thatjust your natural conservatism? It doesn't sound like you are factoring in anyeconomic weakness or is it something else there?
Howard Frank
By the way, you understand we give yield guidance which isan aggregation of ten different companies. It's really, I think more relatedtougher comparisons for the second half of '07 versus '08 than it is for anychange in the pattern or anything like that. There maybe, I think also asrevenue was forecasted out beyond the first half of the year, there may be someelements of conservatism on their part, but we have no way of knowing, becauseI think it’s further out you are less confident than they are because they havevery good confidence and good sight, good vision for the first half of theyear.
Micky Arison
I will say that the limited visibility we have for thesecond half, with that limited visibility the pattern appears to be the same asthe first half. We are well ahead and bookings are strong and so it's nothingin the pattern that is making us do that. It's a more a function of lessvisibility and maybe a little bit tougher comparison. Jamie Rollo - MorganStanley: And did I hear you’re right by saying that your book ticketsprices on constant dollar are up 7.5%?
Micky Arison
In which quarter?
Howard Frank
No, that was actual dollars. That was current dollars.
Beth Roberts
Current dollars.
Micky Arison
Current dollars.
Howard Frank
It depends on which periods you are talking about. I saidticket pricing was up 7.5% higher than a year ago 4.3% in constant dollars. Jamie Rollo - MorganStanley: Okay. Sorry.
Howard Frank
All [of that laid] over 2007.
Micky Arison
Current dollar is what appears in our P&L and currentdollar is the only comparable you have got because nobody helps to give youconstant. Jamie Rollo - MorganStanley: Thanks and just the other sort of related question is, isthat 3% to 4% growth is all driven by your North American brands. So, thatobviously implies the North American brand yields are up sort of more like 5%to 6%. I am just wondering where that takes you back to, does that take youback to the level of yields before the weakness starts in the Caribbeanor is there more to go for there?
Micky Arison
I can tell you that the pattern and the booking curves areout there with our strongest year and right there was '05 and better. So, wehave seen a significant bounce back. Whether the yields are fully there or not,I don't think so.
Howard Frank
I don't think they are quite up to the level of strengththat we have achieved in years passed.
Micky Arison
The pattern is there, but the not pricing yet.
Howard Frank
But, you get still some opportunity to grow in there.
Micky Arison
And again, you have to recognize that our pricing philosophyis to get better pricing out there early. So, it's kind of logical that thepricing wouldn't be there. But the booking pattern and booking curve is outthere which is very encouraging
David Bernstein
And as we've changed the itineraries over the years it makesthings difficult to compare year-over-year and apples-to-apples basis the wayyou are implying.
Micky Arison
Yeah. Very. Jamie Rollo - MorganStanley: Great. Thank you very much.
Micky Arison
You are welcome Jamie
Operator
And our next question comes from the line of Hakan Ipekci withMerrill Lynch. Please go ahead. Hakan Ipekci -MerrillLynch: Okay. Thank you. Two questions. The first one is, do youexpect the cost pressures to moderate somewhat on per berth basis next year ona constant dollar? Is that purely as you said the increased economies of scalesin Europe or do you expect some of thepressures underweighted in the food to moderate somewhat.
David Bernstein
We are getting, I am not going to forecast the exactinflationary pressures year-over-year for the various items. I mean we are stillseeing the pressures for 2008, and the cost reductions are driven by theeconomies of scale that we are achieving in Europe,and that's not to imply that our North American brands aren't achievingeconomies of scale as well, it's just not as dramatic with the lower percentageincrease in capacity. Hakan Ipekci -MerrillLynch: I see. Okay, and with respect to Asia with the new vessels, theyare going to be kind of similar where you are going to have a mixed passengerstructure, where you have Asians and non-Asians, and if that's the case how doyou position slightly older vessels for Europeans or North Americans when youhave other competing products out there which are somewhat newer and slightlymore premium.
Howard Frank
Let me go to your Asiaquestion. I think the plan is, and I don't think it's been publicly finalizedyet, but the plan is that the larger ship will go into China and will sail at of Tianjinand Shanghai and also will be sailing at Hong Kong. And a good part of that ship will be sold into the Chinese market, which is a market that we had been developing on fiveand six night cruises. Hakan Ipekci -MerrillLynch: Okay.
Howard Frank
But then as we do longer itineraries, while [resource] marketall those itineraries in China,we also market those itineraries in other parts of Asia, as well as in Europeand America.So I am not sure if it answers your question. But maybe we will basically bedoing longer cruises out of Singaporeas we move to Singaporein the longer cruises. That is Singaporewill be a market throughout Asia as well as in Australiaand other Asian market as well as Europe and the US.
Micky Arison
The guest comments have been excellent both from the Asiansand from the European passengers, and the ship age has not been an issue theguest satisfaction levels have been very high. And really I am not exactly surewhat ships you are talking about, but the reality is, that the market that weare in we have huge brand strength over any competition. Hakan Ipekci -MerrillLynch: I mean a brand like Holland,you know some of the more premium products. But it seems like customers seemquite happy, so that answers my question.
Micky Arison
When a brand like Holland America goes in there, it's marketing primarilythe North America. So we are marketing todifferent people, different geographic areas. So one has nothing to do with theother, one doesn't compete with the other in a way. Hakan Ipekci -MerrillLynch: Okay. Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Mark Greenberg withAIM Fund. Please go ahead. Mark Greenberg - AIMFund: Good morning. I wanted to ask you about that related coupleof questions with currency. Can you talk about recovery of business and the Caribbean and so on? Any indications how of the bookingin the Caribbean and Alaska as Americans are not taking trips overseas as ofthe weak dollar or it's because Europeans are coming to United States becauseof the weak dollar?
Micky Arison
All I can tell you is, that our USbrands are doing extremely well in Europe. Nowhow much of that is currency related, because they are buying the cruise indollars, and in fact all they are onboard spending is in dollars. It's hard to say,but we are clearly using that as a selling point for North American passengersthat they can take a European vacation primarily dollar based. So that could betheoretically helping the strength of the North American brand selling in NorthAmerica to Europe.But clearly as the business globalizes, we are seeing all nationalitiestraveling in all different destinations and that is helping all the brands pushtheir yields up. Mark Greenberg - AIMFund: What about the American not going overseas because of theweak dollar, any indication people are staying home just because it's cheaperor because a European vacation is just so expensive now?
Micky Arison
Again, it's the reverse. We are selling European vacationsin dollars.
Howard Frank
The [process] are positive in the sense that Americans cantake a European vacation using dollars largely going on a cruise, because wesell in dollars for our European vacation. And indeed that marketingopportunity is being used by our brand as well. So if the people who can'tafford to go to European and buy Euro or buy Sterling,they can afford to go to Europe and use dollarsthat's a huge cost advantage for me.
Micky Arison
Anecdotally, I spend a lot of time in Europe in the summer,and I think for me this summer there's more Americans than ever in Europe. So I don't know if those statistics will bearthat out, but the reality is, we do know that there was a huge, huge issue inthe passport office, getting passports this summer. So, clearly people aretraveling overseas. Mark Greenberg - AIMFund: Okay.
Operator
And our next comes from the line of Edward Stanford withCazenove. Please go ahead. Edward Stanford -Cazenove: Hi, good morning, everybody. Just a couple of questions.First of all, would you be able to let us know what sort of percentage of yourinventory is booked in over the next three quarters? And secondly, I didn'tquite hear what you said the North American capacity would be in the thirdquarter, and could you possibly just let us know what the fourth quarter groupcapacity this year?
Howard Frank
Edward, we don't provide specific percentages of inventorybooked by quarter or even actually for the full year. All what I did say isthat, relatively to last year we were five points ahead year-over-year.
David Bernstein
The North American [brain] capacity is up 1.5% for the thirdquarter
Beth Roberts
And 4.6% for the fourth quarter Edward Stanford -Cazenove: Thank you very much.
Howard Frank
And also I think it's important to note the Caribbeancapacity for the year both for the industry and the company are down slightly,which I think is also contributing to stronger Caribbeanyields.
Operator
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line ofDavid Leibowitz with Burnham. Please go ahead. David Leibowitz –Burnham: Good morning. I apologize for the frog in my throat. What isthe status right now of [port] projects that you have in the works and what arethe dollars investment, and lastly how quickly you might be able to get a returnon that investment?
Micky Arison
Thank you David. You sound terrific, Howard.
Howard Frank
Yeah, well, David we got a couple of projects. One is downin Honduras, on the Island of Roatan. It's really just getting on theway from the design standpoint. We already called in Roatan but we call downtownin the larger city on the island. This will move the calls to a more pristinearea and we'll have two docks and a whole project in wonderful guest experienceincluding beaches and so on right there. I think the cost is in theneighborhood of $50 million - $55 million and I think we are scheduled to openit in 2009. It's just getting underway now, but once it opens we do get areturn on those projects.
Micky Arison
[Cazenove's] rebuilding process is ongoing and
David Bernstein
We will set up a few projects in St. Maarten where we aretesting and lending them about $34 million to develop that second [tier], somore ships can pull in rather than tending in to shore.
Howard Frank
When we do a project, as David mentioned, like that in St.Maarten, it's less an investment to get a return on, its more we providefinancial support to the government to do that and they pay it back over periodof years. So, we get an interest rate of return on that money. David Leibowitz –Burnham: And my second question is, how do you determine which brandwill be faring berth, for instance you mentioned Princess is now going to havea ship in Britainyear around as it were. How do you determine which of your brands you put intowhich markets?
Micky Arison
Well, Princess has had a dedicated UK ship now for a number of years.I must say both Royal Caribbean and Princess have very, very significant marketpositions in the UK under US brand, and the Princess brand has been anestablished UK brand from before the merger. So, we continue to leverage thedemand for US type productin the UKusing the Princess brand. And, clearly, these decisions are made depending onwhat brand we feel is best suited to particular markets. Like Princess also in Australia, Costa in Asia.I mean we take these decisions based on what brands we feel are best suited tothose markets and whether there is a market potential for a particular brand. David Leibowitz –Burnham: And that having being said, are we saying that whether it'sCarnival or AIDA or some of your other brands are best suited for the homemarkets that they currently serve rather than a specific foreign market?
Micky Arison
This gets really complicated, because the reality is that wedid a little slide at the Queen Victoria where our North American brands in Europe sourced, what percentage was it? 44%?
Beth Roberts
40%...
Micky Arison
40 something percent.
Howard Frank
International.
Micky Arison
Internationally. So, number of these brands are marketing.The only brands we have that truly market of 90 plus percent of theirpassengers to their home markets is P&O in the UK, Ocean Village in the UK,and AIDA in Germany. All others really market globally. Now, Carnival Cruise line clearly gets significantpercentage of their business in North America.Holland America does as well and Princessdoes as well. But, the reality is that this is become a global business formost of our brands. And in certain itineraries there is great deal of appealfrom a number of markets. And this is where I go into my slide about GNP growthworldwide being over hundred countries having 4% GNP growth and participating.And I think that's one of the reasons why the Med and Baltic cruises have beenso strong is because they are supported globally from passengers from all overthe world interested to see places like Venice or St. Petersburg, et cetera. David Leibowitz –Burnham: Thank you very much.
Operator
And our next question comes from the line of Scott Barryfrom Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Scott Barry - CreditSuisse: Thanks. Most of my questions have been answered. Just onequick one, could you post the six new builds that you've ordered here duringlast quarter. Could you update us on the capital spending for '08 through 2010?Thanks.
Howard Frank
Scott, I am going to have -- Beth is going to leaf throughher book and give you that information in a moment. And as she does that, maybewe can move. Is that all, Scott, you have, we will give it to you soon as. Scott Barry - CreditSuisse: Yeah. That's right. No problem.
Howard Frank
We can take the question Operator. Thank you.
Operator
Excellent. And the next question is a follow-up questionfrom line of Felicia Hendrix from Lehman Brothers again. Please go ahead. Felicia Hendrix -Lehman Brothers: Hi. Just very quickly, housekeeping. Beth, maybe you cangive us guidance for '08 interest expense, D&A and actually the full yearfirst quarter capacity increase, you just gave North America?
Beth Roberts
Sure.
Howard Frank
We're still waiting for Scott.
Beth Roberts
I'll go message Scott. For the interest expense for theyear, we are looking for a $360 million to $380 million and for D&A we arelooking for a $290 billion to a $310 billion, those are both ranges for thefull year. For capacity for the -- in total by quarter for 2008 for the Companyinclusive by via of the first quarter is 10.6, the second quarter is 7.9, thethird quarter is 8.8, the fourth quarter is 8.7, which gets you to the total onthe year of 9% Felicia Hendrix -Lehman Brothers Inc: Thanks. And so the interest expense is net -- interestexpense is net of interest income?
Beth Roberts
Yes, it is. Felicia Hendrix -Lehman Brothers Inc: Okay. Thank you
Howard Frank
Are you stilling working on the….
Beth Roberts
Going back to the…
Howard Frank
Okay, you're still working on Scott's question. We will takeone more question.
Operator
The next question comes from the line of Bart Glenn with AIMInvestments. Please go ahead. Bart Glenn - AIMInvestments: Thank you. I just had one follow-up on the weak dollar. Iwas curious, can you quantify what benefits you might be seeing with Caribbeanprice or Alaska firm, the U.S. consumers staying home due to the weak dollaror also from foreign tourist into the U.S. because it is cheaper than itused to be for them?
Howard Frank
I don't that we can actually -- I don't know that weactually know that, even try to -- even if you guess in terms of the U.S. consumer, one of the challenges, though,you would think that clearly more and more Europeans are coming to the U.S.because it's a less expensive vacation. But one of the challenges of gettinginto the U.S.today is many, many foreigners have to go and have to get visa. And then, theyhave to go through customs and immigration, which is getting more the line thelonger, it's more difficult, the people being more challenged and theexperience is not only a very pleasant experience. So there is a lot ofresistance that we are getting to the European's and South American and so onto come through these gateways in the U.S. So that's been a negativecourse and the travel industry has been lobbying to try to improve thatsituation.
Micky Arison
We are hearing more and more of that and part of the reasonwhy Costa operates a winter program out of Guadalupe for Europeans is becausethey don't have to go through that or P&O operates out of Barbados. Theyuse to operate out of Fort Lauderdale,but the reality is that they just get too much push back on this region. So,they operate out of Barbados,where they don't have to ferry US. So, this is clearly an issue, but it's verydifficult for us to tell, as I said our North American business into Europe is very, very strong, so we don't really see,while for logical conclusion we don't really see it in the pattern. Bart Glenn - AIMInvestments: Thank you.
Howard Frank
And I wanted to get back, Scott, we don't have the exactschedule that shows the details by year, but to generally answer your question,in 2007 we had delivery of 5 ships and the CapEx was $3.3 billion. With thenews that six new ships that we took on order in the fourth quarter, the trendis five ships for 2008, five ships for 2009 , six ships for 2010, and four shipsfor 2011. At the moment we still have just two ships on order for 2012. So, youcan extrapolate onward from 2007, but we are looking at something north of $3billion per year in terms of CapEx.
Micky Arison
Didn’t get more specific on that -- we have the figures, Iam having here.
Howard Frank
Okay. And with that operator I am happy to close it out, Iwant to wish you all Merry Christmas and a happy and healthy New Year andhopefully, we'll get to see some of you in New York.
Micky Arison
Happy Hanukkah and Happy Kwanzaa too.
Howard Frank
On January the 13th, by the way, we do have Three Queens in New York on Sunday,January the 13th.
Micky Arison
And come out wave.
Howard Frank
And come out and say hello to three Queens, I mean ships Imean they are ships actually, QE2, Queen Mary 2 and Queen Victoria. So, hopefully we will be seeingyou all, some of you in January. All the best. Thank you, bye, bye.
Micky Arison
Bye, bye.
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen that does conclude the conference callfor today, we thank you for participation and we ask that you please disconnectyour line.