Avantax, Inc. (AVTA) Q2 2020 Earnings Call Transcript
Published at 2020-08-08 14:39:06
Welcome to the Q2 2020 Blucora Earnings Conference Call. My name is Karen. I will be your operator for today's call. All participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I will now turn the call over to Bill Michalek, VP of Investor Relations. Bill, you may begin.
Thank you, and welcome, everyone, to Blucora's Second Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. By now, you should have had the opportunity to review a copy of our earnings release and supplemental information. If you've not reviewed these documents, they are available on the Investor Relations section of our website at blucora.com. I'm joined today by Chris Walters, Chief Executive Officer; and Marc Mehlman, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, let me remind everyone that today's discussion contains forward-looking statements based on the environment as we currently see it and speak only as of the current date. As such, they include risks and uncertainties, and actual results and events could differ materially from our current expectations. Please refer to our press release and other SEC filings, including our forms 10-K, 10-Q and other reports for more information on the specific risk factors. We assume no obligation to update our forward-looking statements, except as required by law. We will discuss both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures today. The earnings release and presentation for today's call are available on blucora.com and include full reconciliations of each non-GAAP financial measure discussed to the nearest applicable GAAP measure. With that, let me hand it over to Chris.
Thanks, Bill, and good morning, everyone. I hope that you're all staying safe in the midst of all that is going on at this time. Blucora continues to operate effectively during these unprecedented times, and our team remains focused on delivering on our mission to empower people to improve their financial wellness. The challenges we outlined last quarter, stemming from the pandemic, including the extended tax season and reduction in interest rates, combined with the workplace shutdowns for our financial professionals, did create headwinds for our business as expected. While these challenges have impacted our financial performance in the short term, we've also made meaningful progress in a short period of time to improve key business metrics, strengthen our team and advance our strategic priorities to position ourselves well for future growth. Before I turn to results, I'd note that given the seasonality of our tax business and the unusual extension of tax season into the third quarter, our financial results for TaxAct and Blucora overall do not provide for consistent comparison, prior periods. We, therefore, have included more information to make it easier to draw comparisons. Starting first with Tax Preparation. We embarked on a shift in the strategy for TaxAct during the tax season. For a number of years, growth has been driven largely by price increases, coupled with stable marketing spend deployed without the benefit of the most sophisticated direct marketing approaches. More recently, there was a realization that additional investment in the product was needed. We are pleased to report that we've seen the benefits of these initial investments in the recently completed tax season with customer satisfaction, conversion and retention all improving. Going forward, our strategy will focus on a few things: continue to enhance investment in a winning product experience; deploying marketing spend in a sophisticated data-driven manner connected to performance outcome, which may result in more spend when we see opportunities to generate a strong return on investment; engaging customers throughout the year to maintain relationships and bring a higher share of returning customers back at a lower cost; and carefully utilizing price to support growth with the scaling up of our assisted offering being the primary driver of average revenue per user. Unfortunately, the timing of our increase in marketing spend occurred just prior to the extension of the tax season, causing customers to whom we had marketed to focus on things other than tax and therefore, resulted in a lower return than expected. That said, there were several important learnings from this challenging tax season upon which we will build in the coming years. With that in mind, let's jump into performance. For this discussion, I will be speaking to the main tax season, which is through tax day plus 1 or through July 16. TaxAct improved on a number of important business metrics amid the COVID-19 environment. However, our financial results were below our expectations. Part of the lower-than-expected results stem from the COVID pandemic and part relate to TaxAct starting the season out of position from a marketing perspective. To quantify this, approximately $20 million of incremental cost was due to the effects of the COVID-19 extended tax season, which included increased marketing spend, call center staff extension as well as incremental costs due to executing a finish to this current season, simultaneous with planning for next season. Beyond these COVID impacts, we increased marketing spend to address the weak performance through the first peak. As we will discuss, the good news is that we saw clear signs of progress that we believe will position us for next season and beyond. I will walk you through some of the highlights, which include significantly increasing the volume of potential customers visiting our website, growing new filers for the first time since tax year 2012, increasing conversion rates, increasing retention rates, increasing NPS scores and strong operational performance, among others. So let's get into a bit of the detail. The tax season started off as one might have expected with the DDIY segment of the industry showing about 3.6% year-over-year growth through March 20, prior to the IRS announcing a delay in the filing date. Following that announcement, industry volume dropped precipitously before slowly recovering and we estimate ultimately finished the season top 10.5% in unit volume, excluding stimulus filings. Overall, we estimate IRS filings increased 4% with the pro market declining by about 0.5%. I joined as CEO on January 30, and it quickly became clear that TaxAct had started the season out of position from a marketing perspective. A portion of this was driven by messaging that didn't resonate with early season filers who tend to focus much more on free filing options. There were additional challenges, including limited investment and top of the funnel marketing activities, a lack of search engine optimization and insufficient measurement tools to support timely spend optimization, all of which is generally done months in advance to prepare for the tax season. We believe this led to a double-digit percentage decrease in the number of potential customers visiting our site at a critical time in the season. To address these issues, we course-corrected, made changes to the marketing leadership and altered our approach. Beginning in March, we invested meaningful incremental dollars in marketing to catch up and were seeing positive results just ahead of the IRS announcing the tax season delay. The tax filing date extension negated what we believe would have been a positive marketing impact. The extension of the filing date also required additional investment over the extended period. While this is unfortunate and will depress our segment margin for this year, it is important to note that we believe these are short-term effects to which Marc will speak in a bit. We identified several new marketing partners, including some late in the season, which performed well, and we're excited about the future. One benefit of the extended tax season is that we were able to establish and test these new relationships and approaches during the season. We also added new technology and tracking to more readily optimize our marketing in future tax seasons. A few highlights on the marketing side include: website visitors were up 16% year-over-year, which is a significant improvement and remarkable given that we were down double digits year-over-year prior, through first peak. After first peak, we increased traffic relative to last year by 60%. So first peak down double digits to last year, and after that, up 60%. We were able to convert some of the increased users, but there are many ways we can further optimize for next season to capitalize on this large opportunity. In fact, start rate is one of our largest opportunities and will be a key area of focus. Single-digit improvement would yield a double-digit impact in our total volume. New or reactivated users grew by 12% year-over-year. This represents the first growth in this metric since tax year 2012 and a significant reversal from the 16% decline we saw last season and 14% decline we've averaged since tax year 2012. Combining growing new units with increased retention rates mentioned earlier, is a powerful combination that builds on itself. On the customer experience side, the sentiment from customers was very positive. The product improvements put in place combined with significant new features, drove increased conversion, retention and NPS scores, delivering the strongest customer experience metrics we have seen in recent years. Through July 16, when compared to the same date last year, a few highlights in customer experience include: conversion rate or percentage of starting customers that complete was up 6 points year-over-year; retention rate or percentage of filers returning from the prior year finished up 5 points year-over-year; and our Net Promoter Score, or NPS, was up 16 points year-over-year to what we believe is the highest level in company history. We are excited about these improvements, particularly because we expect that these metrics will provide even more benefit next year as those customers who had a positive experience are likely to come back at a higher rate and maybe even recommend us to a friend. Overall, through July 16, our total e-filers, which includes consumer and professional e-filers were up about 1%, representing the first year of total unit growth since tax year 2014. The consumer e-files came in at about $3.11 million, down about 2.2% from $3.18 million last season, and professional e-filers were up 5.8% to $2.036 million. We are pleased to report a return to positive total unit growth although we'd hoped for positive consumer unit growth as well as a more favorable mix of paid versus free. A few other items to note for this year. In our Pro offering, TaxAct Pro, we continued to do well and outperformed the market, with our volume growing 6% year-over-year in a pro market overall that declined about 0.5%. This shows the value that we continue to deliver to this market and the benefits of the incremental improvements we have made in the product, including simplifying the onboarding process and data entry experience for Pros. We continue to be positive on the outlook and potential for our Pro offering. In hybrid-assisted, as you may recall, this season represented the first full year of testing with the intent being to gain significant learnings, confirm interest and develop a plan on how we could launch at scale should we decide to do so next season. The interest was so strong that we ended up expanding our test by about 70% more than our original plan this season to do incremental testing. We believe we have now learned what is needed to scale and plan to launch it next year as part of our core offering. Overall, we made progress that will benefit us in the future, and these efforts enabled us to catch up meaningfully from the slow start, but not fully relative to targets we had set for the business. Going forward, we believe we have the right team in place and feel good about this year's learnings. We will come into next tax season with product and marketing both optimized and working in concert. We believe our new marketing team utilizing data-driven marketing approaches, and our new marketing partners will help us maximize performance. We've already proven that we can drive significantly increased traffic to our site. So we will be very focused on driving improvements in our start rate. As we attract new customers, we will continue to delight them with our improved product experience. In fact, we expect that next year we'll really benefit from this year's high NPS scores and improvements in conversion and retention, as customers who had great experiences this year come back and complete at a higher rate. And during the off season, we plan to continue to make improvements in the experience, which we believe will help drive further gains in customer conversion. I continue to see a great deal of opportunity for this business over the medium to long term. We anticipate that product improvements will drive higher retention rates going forward and new initiatives such as assisted Tax Preparation will drive higher ARPU. When combined with improved marketing efforts and additional year-round engagement, we believe that these improvements will put us in a stronger position to grow paid units and revenue in coming years with less reliance on price. We have shifted to a more sustainable growth strategy for TaxAct, and it's important to note that this is a multiyear journey. While we are satisfied that many of the metrics on which we measure ourselves improved meaningfully year-over-year, we are not satisfied with the near-term financial performance and see room for continued improvements across the business with the key areas of focus on increasing our start rate. We will also be focused on driving higher share of paid units, given that this is the second metric on which we did not see the results we were looking for this tax season. Turning now to Wealth Management. Second quarter Wealth Management revenue was $115.9 million with segment income of $11.7 million. Second quarter results now reflect both qualitative and quantitative COVID-related impacts not present in our results last quarter. This is mostly due to timing of things like interest rate changes and billing cycles. This includes: advisory revenue, which is based on Q1 ending market values and which we expect to increase in Q3 due to the market rebound; as well as sweep revenue, which now reflects the effective 6 rate cuts in the first quarter. While we are not immune to these expected market forces, our focus has been on managing what we can control and successfully navigating through this unprecedented time with our financial professionals. Financial professionals is the term we are using going forward to replace the term advisers. This change has been instituted to comply with the SEC's Regulation Best Interest, which went into effect for the industry on June 30, 2020. Our service to finance professionals has been uninterrupted through this period and improving in several areas, allowing our financial professionals to be as successful as possible in this environment. In fact, our processing times are at historic lows. Our financial professionals have had a great deal on their plate over the past quarter. Working through an extended tax season, helping their clients navigate through market volatility and helping clients with things like PPP loans. Their focus on serving existing clients, combined with the reduced ability to meet in person, has slowed prospecting as well as the ability to sell more complex products, such as alternatives, annuities and insurance, with the overall market for these products seeing softness in the quarter. This affected our transaction revenue, which was down more than 35% sequentially. While transaction revenue is always the most difficult to predict, with the distractions of tax season behind our financial professionals, we expect to see some improvements in transaction revenue in the second half. However, the ongoing limited ability to meet with clients may temper the bounce back. These factors also had an impact on our asset flows in the quarter as we saw net outflows from advisory assets of about $285 million and from total client assets of about $1 billion. We believe the outflows were driven by a combination of factors, including a reduced level of prospecting, limited in-person meetings, clients pulling funds for cash flow purposes as well as a few regrettable financial professional departures in the quarter. Advisory assets as a proportion of total client assets ended the quarter at 38.8%. A few additional updates I'll call out here for Wealth Management. First, I remain incredibly proud of the team and their ability to continue to effectively work in this remote environment. As I mentioned, our service has not only been uninterrupted, it has improved in many areas, such as processing times. During the quarter, the team fully rolled out its regionalized service model, which provides an integrated team approach to deliver high-value service to our financial professionals. The next level service model utilizes dedicated high-touch teams with a quarterback or service concierge, based on the size complexity and geography of the financial professional firm, to provide enhanced end-to-end experience on incoming requests as well as proactive relationship management. We believe that this upgraded experience will create additional stickiness with financial professionals as they see and feel the value of this program. Our growth team has pivoted to connecting the financial professional community to each other and our teams virtually, and utilizing these forms to let financial professionals know about the teams available to help them develop plans for new clients or new funds. We have seen a strong increase in utilization. In recruiting, we were able to bring in 28 new financial professionals in the quarter, including 8 new tax pros and 18 transfers. Recruiting was a bit slower than normal in the quarter due in part -- with the testing centers being closed due to COVID-19 as well as tax pros continuing to work through the extended tax season. In addition to the individual financial professionals, we also brought on 2 larger accounting firms with combined accounting revenue of about $7 million, representing a prospecting opportunity of approximately $700 million in total client assets. In addition to these highlights, just at the end of the quarter, we announced the HKFS acquisition has closed. I know we have mentioned the numerous benefits in the past, but to summarize, we believe that this transaction adds a fast-growing, highly profitable RIA business to our company, increasing our addressable market and providing new organic growth opportunities. The business has been growing assets at double-digit rates, with adjusted EBITDA margins of about 30%. It fills a key hole in our offering to CPA firms, allowing us to serve CPA firms and tax professionals, either through our Avantax model, where CPA's own the full wealth management process, or through HKFS, where the CPA can refer clients to one of our in-house HKFS advisers and receive a recurring revenue stream. As a result, we no longer have to leave a significant number of prospects on the table. It gives us a new way to monetize the 700 retirement plans our financial professionals start each year for their clients, and this represents an incremental revenue stream for our financial professionals. For financial professionals seeking options for their succession plans, we can now provide an off-ramp for them. For financial professionals who have plateaued, this gives them a way to continue to provide wealth management services to their clients. In both instances, we have a new way to retain assets and a potential to improve margins when transitioning assets from the affiliate model to the captive RIA. The HKFS transaction closed after the end of the quarter and is not included in our financial results. However, at a high level, HKFS ended the quarter with approximately $4.5 billion in total client assets, up from about $4 billion at the end of Q1, with positive net flows in advisory assets and retirement plan services and a growing number of end clients with about 75 partner CPA firms. Marc will provide a few additional details in a moment. As we look ahead in our wealth management business, we plan to: improve our service and operational performance to delight our financial professionals; align systems, processes and technology to improve efficiency and scalability; maximize financial professional performance by providing tools, including supporting efficient prospecting to increase client penetration and wallet share; and with the HKFS acquisition now closed, focus on completing our integration efforts, without interruption and setting the business up for success. To summarize, at the end of the 6-month mark in my tenure, and in an unprecedented time, I'm pleased to say that we are navigating the current environment well. We have addressed skill gaps by filling key positions with strong leaders, defined our strategic priorities and realigned our business to support detailed execution plans. We are focused on executing with excellence in the second half of the year to best position the company for growth in the coming years. We have set our sights high as to what we can achieve as an organization to truly empower our customers to improve their financial wellness and have a great deal of work to do. Our progress has been meaningful, especially amidst this environment, but we recognize there are key areas on which we need to accelerate our progress. In our tax preparation business, we do not expect a significant margin impact stemming from the impacts of COVID-19 on this tax season to reoccur. With the tax season behind us, we have turned our full attention to working through the fall to execute on improving our start rate and the share of paid units, positioning ourselves for a strong marketing start for the season. In wealth management, we will continue to roll out our improved financial professional experience programs, begin the important work of expanding the HKFS model and ensuring that we have the systems aligned to enable our financial professionals to gain the efficiency they need to build their book of business. With that, I'll turn it over to Marc.
Thank you, Chris. As Chris mentioned, with the change in tax season timing this year, our second quarter results do not include the end of tax season, and therefore, we believe that a number of comparisons to prior periods are not meaningful outside of wealth management. And I'll try and call that out where appropriate. Before I get into results, I thought I'd pause and reflect briefly on my first three months in the role. I consider myself fortunate to have joined a business with such dedicated people. Through a difficult environment, our employees have never wavered in their mission to delight our customers. We have an ambitious team, one that sees the promise of the great things we can accomplish. And that's visible in the investments that we've made across the business as we headed into 2020. I share in their optimism, and I'm looking forward to the journey that we're on. At the same time, we understand the importance of disciplined and purposeful planning. Investing for the long term. And lastly, the value our investors place on profit and cash, which, as Chris mentioned earlier, we believe you can expect more as it relates to our TaxAct business next year. While I've learned a great deal over the last few months. I look forward to the opportunity to share more perspective over the next 2 quarters as we work through our 2021 and beyond planning. That said, in the short term, my team and I are focused on ensuring optimal efficiency, prudent spend management and a constant focus on prioritizing spend toward our key growth priorities that Chris shared just a few moments ago. Longer term, our focus will center on our data management capabilities, ensuring that we have the data to inform both real-time decisions across the dynamic markets within which we operate; a long-term capital strategy plan that aligns with our growth aspirations; and lastly, a commitment to scale where we realize the benefits of scalable operating models across both of our businesses. Now turning to our results. I'll begin with consolidated results for the second quarter. We recorded revenue of $161.1 million; adjusted EBITDA of $12.6 million; non-GAAP net income of $4.5 million or $0.09 per diluted share; and GAAP net income of $49.6 million or $1.03 per diluted share, which includes a large non-cash income tax benefit of $59.7 million, which I will describe momentarily. Now given the meaningful and varied impact that the net operating losses, or NOLs, have had on our reported GAAP net income results over the last few quarters, let me take a moment to walk you through some of the mechanics. This has much to do with our specific situation as it relates to our NOLs, compounded by the phasing of our profit throughout the year. You may recall that in the fourth quarter of last year, we had a $49 million tax benefit. This was driven by the fact that we have now had 3 consecutive years of positive GAAP earnings. And since it was now considered more likely than not that we would utilize our NOLs, we could release a valuation allowance against them. In the first quarter of this year, changes in financial markets brought about by the COVID-19 pandemic as well as other factors caused the amount of NOLs expected to expire in 2020 to increase, driving a corresponding increase in our effective tax rate. Applying the inflated tax rate to our first quarter income resulted in a high tax expense. In Q2, we refreshed our forecasted annual profit before tax which updated our annual effective tax rate calculation. Applying this revised rate to our year-to-date profit resulted in a noncash benefit of $59.7 million for the 3 months ended June 30, 2020. The turning now to segment performance, beginning with tax preparation. TaxAct second quarter results, which reflect costs of the extended season but do not include end of season revenue, included revenue of $45.2 million with segment income of $6.7 million. We expect full year revenue to be in the $203 million to $206 million range, down about 2% to 3% versus last year. I would like to point out that reported growth is not apples-to-apples. As you may recall, heading into the season, we decided that to align more with the broader market we would remove our online basic SKU, and that would result in a headwind for this season. Normalizing for this adjustment as well as for the simple tax divestiture would equate to year-over-year growth of between 4% to 5% in revenue. Segment margin for the year is expected to come in at about 23%, which includes approximately $20 million of incremental cost due to the effects of COVID-19 and the extended tax season. These costs were comprised of increased marketing spend, call center staff extension as well as executing both a finish to this current season, while planning for next season simultaneously. The other major driver of the margin reduction was our increased investment in marketing, which the team had planned before COVID. This spend was required to reaccelerate our growth. As noted, the results were distorted by COVID, but we remain optimistic about the proof points we've seen. We expect a healthy rebound in segment margin next year from these levels. And while we have yet to complete our financial planning for next year, I would expect in a normal tax season, a minimum of $20 million of additional segment income for TaxAct next year. Moving on to Wealth Management. Avantax second quarter revenue was $115.9 million with segment income of $11.7 million. These results now include the impacts of the lower market levels as of March 31, 2020 as well as interest rate reductions during Q1 that did not impact our Q1 results. On a pro forma basis, normalized for the acquisition of First Global, this represents a year-over-year revenue decline of 20%. This was driven by a 91% decrease in sweep revenue as interest rates declined to essentially 0. An additional negative driver to the quarter included a 35% decline in transactional commission revenue due to the factors Chris mentioned earlier. Lastly, and due to our operating model, which focuses heavily on CPA financial professionals, the extended tax season created a headwind whereby our financial professionals were helping existing clients through tax season over a longer period of time with limited ability to meet in person, making it difficult to drive the business development activities both with existing customers as well as attracting new ones. Lastly, advisory and trail revenue, which were down 8% and 18% year-over-year, respectively, reflect the lower market levels at the end of Q1. As Chris mentioned, we saw net outflows from advisory assets of about $285 million and from total client assets of about $1 billion during the quarter. We believe a combination of factors led to the outflows, including reduced level of prospecting as financial professionals focused on supporting existing clients; and few in-person meetings; clients pulling funds for cash flow purposes; as well as a few regrettable financial professional departures. In recent quarters, the vast majority, about 90%, of departures have been smaller financial professionals with little production. This quarter, there were a few in the regrettable category that departed following some of the integration disruption as we brought First Global and HD Vest together. Our primary focus is on improving the Avantax financial professional experience, which we believe will drive improved retention in the longer term. Advisory assets as a proportion of total client assets ended the quarter at 38.8%. Finishing up on second quarter performance. Unallocated corporate expenses came in at $5.8 million, lower than in recent quarters due to some actively managed cost savings in this uncertain environment as well as the timing of certain expenses between quarters. We also had about $4 million in unusual expenses, including $1.7 million in integration costs related to First Global and $1.1 million in transaction-related costs associated with the acquisition of HKFS. During the quarter, we utilized $55 million in cash to fully repay the outstanding balance on our revolving credit facility. We had about $11 million in property, plant and equipment expenditures related to our new headquarters building. We ended the quarter with cash and cash equivalents of $90.1 million and our net debt was $299 million. Our reported net leverage ratio at the end of the quarter increased to 4.4x, primarily due to the extension of tax season and therefore, our last 12-month EBITDA as of quarter end does not include a full tax season. As it relates to the HKFS transaction closing subsequent to the end of the quarter, on July 1, we entered into a $175 million add-on term loan, an increase to our existing credit facility. The interest rate on the now $564.1 million term loan is a floating rate based on LIBOR plus 4%. $100 million of the proceeds from the term loan were used to pay the purchase price for the HKFS acquisition with the remaining proceeds of $75 million, net of fees and expenses held for additional working capital. As we look forward from a capital allocation perspective, we will continue to be very prudent. We have not engaged in any share repurchase activity and have no near-term plans to do so. With the HKFS acquisition completed, the short list of where to deploy cash would be to support organic growth and to pay down debt. Our long-term net leverage goal remains below 3x. With that, let's turn to consolidated outlook for third quarter and full year. For the third quarter, we expect TaxAct revenue between $36.5 to $39 million and segment income of $14 million to $15 million. For our Wealth Management business, including HKFS. We expect third quarter revenue of $133.5 to $138.5 million and segment income of $15 million to $16.5 million. On a consolidated basis for the third quarter, again, including HKFS, we expect total Blucora revenue between $170 million to $177.5 million, adjusted EBITDA of between $21.5 million and $25 million, non-GAAP net income of $7.5 million to $11.5 million or $0.15 to $0.23 per share and a GAAP net loss attributable to Blucora of $28 million to $22 million or $0.58 to $0.46 per share. This outlook includes third quarter unallocated operating expenses of $6.5 million to $7.5 million. For the full year, we expect TaxAct revenue of between $203 million to $206 million and segment income of $46.5 million to $48 million. For our wealth management business, we expect full year revenue, which includes HKFS for the period of July 1, through year-end of $530 million to $541 million, and segment income of $65.5 million to $69.5 million. This translates to consolidated full year outlook, again, including HKFS for the partial year, of revenue of between $733 million and $747 million, adjusted EBITDA of $86 million to $93 million, non-GAAP net income of $40.5 million to $48 million or $0.83 to $0.98 per diluted share and a GAAP net loss attributable to Blucora of $343.5 million to $334 million or $7.09 to $6.92 per diluted share with $24.5 million to $26 million in corporate unallocated expense. A few final items I'll call out as it relates to our guidance. First, we consider a broad range for transactional revenue due to its inherent variability. Second, GAAP net income or loss attributable to Blucora is greatly impacted by variability in our tax rate. Given current estimates, we are currently estimating a net tax benefit for the year. Assumed in these figures are market levels staying consistent with where they ended at the second quarter. And finally, for the full year, the company continues to expect total acquisition-related integration costs of about $13 million for First Global and $8 million for HKFS. With that, I'll turn it over to the operator for Q&A. Operator?
Thank you. We will now begin question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] We do have our first question from Chris Shutler from William Blair.
So let's start on the TaxAct business. It sounds like, Chris, a big, big focus on improving the start rates going forward. Can you talk about at least at a high level, how you were tracking on that metric after you came in, in kind of the month of March before the tax deadline extension and just to give us some sense of some evidence that you were seeing improvement? And then maybe just drill down into it a bit. I know you -- but just give us the few strategies kind of underneath that to drive the improvement in the start rate going forward?
Yes, sure. So first, in terms of start rate. Start rate earlier in the season was higher, right? And as we got later into the season, it was a bit more challenging with all of the confusion, right? Because many of the people that were coming to us, they were uncertain about exactly what was going to happen in terms of the timing of the filing deadline. And so ultimately, what we'll be looking at to move start rate going forward is a number of things. First, we've got to make sure that we're bringing the right people to our site at the right time in their decision-making process. Next is when they arrive at the site, the messaging that we are hitting them with needs to resonate with them. And ultimately, the experience needs to be very positive, right? So where we fared well this year after we employed a number of kind of new marketing tactics, was driving a dramatic increase in terms of the number of potential customers coming our way. And the dimensions I just described are the areas that we'll be focusing on to convert a higher share of those into customers in the coming seasons. Ultimately, we think with some of the elimination of the confusion about the tax season, right, in a normalized tax season, we think we'll do much better just due to the normalized tax season, but also we'll do much better based on the learnings from the season.
Is there, with all the additional people, the unique visitors coming to the site this season? Is there a way do you have some of their contact information? You can try to market to those individuals next tax season specifically, so it increases your marketing funnel right off the bat?
Yes. So we have the ability to actually remarket or retarget people who have visited our site. And so we do have a good repository. Obviously, everybody that starts, we have information on them. And then we have less information, but the ability to retarget the people that actually came to our site.
Okay. And then I think you mentioned more recently finding a need to improve certain product capabilities. Did I hear that correctly? And if so, what around the product or experience needs to improve in your view?
Yes. So this is something that we actually do a lot of work in the off-season. And I think we've talked about the meaningful increases that we saw in a number of different critical dimensions, including NPS score, which is the best indicator of customer satisfaction. And the way we go about targeting our development efforts is really looking at any of the friction points within the product, right? And when I say friction points, you can observe where there are drop off rates as you move through the entire product experience. And obviously, depending on the SKU and the complexity of the tax filing, right, those drop off points may be different. And so what we did in this past off-season was target a number of the areas within the experience where there were those greatest drop off points. And what we're doing right now is evaluating the areas where we'll focus our development energies in the coming off-season, right? So it's a really data-driven process, and it proved to work very effectively this off-season.
Okay. So there weren't like major deficiencies. That was just more comment around, kind of, continuing to just ongoing improvement, continual improvement?
Okay. Fair enough. And then lastly on tax is there anything you can say about next tax season in terms of sort of the margin profile of the business beyond the -- you called out the $20 million. Anything else you would want to say at this point?
Sure. As we typically do, we'll plan to talk a lot more about our outlook for next season on our next call. However, as we mentioned in the remarks, given a normal season, we would expect a minimum of $20 million in additional segment income for TaxAct next year. So that alone will represent a pretty significant rebound next year. Even if you assume no revenue growth and flow through that would take the margins from the low 20s to low 30s. But we'll definitely be in a position to share more once we've completed planning for the next season. But I think $20 million is, as I said, that we would expect a minimum of that additional segment income next year.
Okay. Got it. Then just two on the Wealth business quickly. So the -- just touch on the outlook for flows. Any kind of known or regrettable adviser or financial professional losses coming up? And then I'm also curious, maybe just talk about HKFS performance in the quarter a little bit more. What type of inflows they saw and how you're looking at the financial impact of HKFS in 2020?
Sure. So, in terms of flows, we think that this past quarter was a uniquely challenging environment for all. Obviously, we're still -- and everyone is still dealing with the effects of the pandemic and that does limit the ability for in-person meetings. That said, we believe that going forward, we will be in a better position than this past quarter as it relates to flows. Why don't I actually give it to Marc who can comment on HKFS and the financial impact of it.
Sure. I'll just echo Chris' comments in terms of what we've seen more recently. I think, Chris, you had asked specifically about any regrettable advisers that we see potentially leaving on the horizon. And so far through the third quarter, we're seeing a nice improvement relative to what we saw in Q2. As it relates to HKFS, we continue to expect EBITDA to deliver what we said it would for this year, which is in the $10 million range. As it relates to flows for HKFS in the second quarter, it was positive for both advisory as well as retirement plans. So we continue to see HKFS perform nicely based on the expectations that we have from interactions with them so far.
Marc, just remind me of the HKFS EBITDA, that $10 million, that's an annualized number?
That's correct. And so we've recognized roughly 6 months of that.
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Chris. So you've been in the CEO position for around six months now. You've had an opportunity to build out your management team and we see the changes you're making in your business. I'm trying to think about how we think about the evolution of Blucora from here. Are we still in the stage where you're still building out some of your management team and fleshing out some of the strategy? Or are we getting to that point where we can begin to see more execution focus and less of these like some of the changes in the tax business and around strategy. I'm trying to think about what the time frame of your management, like, tenure.
Sure. So we have locked in on our strategy, right? There were some shifts, and we described some of the shifts in the TaxAct strategy that were absolutely required. And so we both have the leadership team in place and a very clear strategy that we're in the process of executing on. And so in terms of time frame of seeing those benefits or benefits from that execution, clearly for TaxAct, we expect to see some very favorable impacts in terms of the next tax season. And in wealth management, right, we will begin to see the impact of a number of the things that we're executing on over the coming quarter with more notable impacts in nine to 12 months from now. So we're clearly into execution mode. There aren't further refinements in the strategy to come.
Great. Thank you. On the higher marketing spend, is it possible to frame how we should think about the increase in marketing spend to support the changes that were made this year? I know we have the COVID impact, but is there a way that we can think about how much of that's increasing the marketing repositioning?
Yes. So in terms of the COVID impact, right. It's probably just under half of the marketing spend was -- our incremental marketing spend was due to the extension of the season. And so we would not expect to be marketing at those levels going forward, unless there were -- was an incredibly high-return that was seen in the year on that spend. As we look at the rest of the spend, right, we're assessing that all of the incremental spend based on the return that we could see. And fortunately, there's a lot of data on all the performance-oriented spend. And so we can see which marketing partners, which tactics actually work the best, and we're going to be able to refine pretty materially what our marketing tactics are and strategy for the coming year. I think the one thing that threw a wrench in it this year, and I think we referenced it in the call, as we look at the return from this year's spend due to the weakness in the first peak, we were ramping spend through March, right? And we were seeing lots of very, very positive impacts from that ramp. And we noted one of them being a pretty extraordinary increase in the traffic that was coming to us. The challenge is the normal decision-making time frame that we see did not play out at all, right? And when I say normal decision-making time frame, we know when somebody comes to the site, how often is it they start immediately, or for those that are new, how frequently they come back and how long it takes them to engage in the process. All of those normal time frames were thrown off after the extension to the season. And so ultimately, we got a lower return on our investment due to that. And so one of the complexities we're working on through the off-season is appropriately evaluating the spend, given the uniqueness of the season.
Okay. Ask it in kind of another way, is it, in terms of the expenses, how to ballpark marketing expenses for tax? Is there like a -- if we look at the expense profile like of a rough range, like how much is marketing? How much is marketing driving some of -- again, excluding COVID, like how much of marketing is the expense base?
Yes. And so Bill and Marc, I defer to you in terms of how we break this out and what we'll share. So Marc, you want to take it?
Sure. So when we think about marketing, we can break it into -- we can break it up into 2 different buckets, right? There's the media spend as well as the agency spend. When we think about the media spend, which is the actual advertising to our customers, it's typically in the mid-$40 million range each season. That's been held steady over the last several years, but obviously, we have aspirations to grow this business. I believe we stated publicly that we believe this can be a high single-digit growth business. That requires an additional investment in marketing. And for tax year '19 there was a burst in marketing somewhere towards the end of first peak in order to recover from some of the things that Chris and the team saw upon their entry into the business. We still haven't gone through planning for tax year '20 yet. We would expect that it would be more than the levels that we've seen historically, but not quite to the levels at least at this point that we've seen for this year. So we would expect it to be somewhere between historic levels and what was actually spent this year, excluding COVID.
Right. That's helpful. And apologies if I missed this, my call had dropped. But on the large adviser departures, I think the prepared remarks mentioned some pain points around the integration. And could you maybe elaborate on what those pain points were and how those have been addressed?
Sure. I think whenever you have integrations, right, there's changes in kind of people and structure. There's also systems and process changes. And so I think we've shared before that we still have work to do. We brought together the organization -- the organizations and provided absolute clarity of structure. And it's clear who is supporting all of our advisers, and we've rolled out a new service model that provides a quarterback or concierge for a number of our advisers. And so prior to having that, right? There was obviously a little bit of confusion, but we still have work to do on the integration of systems and processes. And we'll be working on that over the coming year. But as we continue to make progress on that, I think friction will reduce over time. We've already seen some pretty meaningful improvements, which were referenced on the call, where we are seeing better service performance levels, which is -- or trending in the right direction on all metrics. We just have more work to do, which is why we're very focused on it.
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Well, thank you to you all for joining us today and for your interest in Blucora. I would once again like to thank all of our employees across the company for their hard work, dedication and determination during this period and for rising to meet each challenge as we support our financial professionals, customers and clients.
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