Cirrus Logic, Inc.

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Cirrus Logic, Inc. (0HYI.L) Q3 2012 Earnings Call Transcript

Published at 2012-01-26 00:00:00
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Cirrus Logic's Third Quarter Fiscal Year 2012 Financial Results Q&A Session. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Mr. Thurman Case, Chief Financial Officer. Mr. Case, you may begin.
Thurman Case
Thank you and good afternoon. Joining me on today's call is Jason Rhode, Cirrus Logic's President and Chief Executive Officer; and Jeremy Allen, our Director of Investor Relations. Today, we announced our financial results for the third quarter of fiscal year 2012 at approximately 4 p.m. Eastern. The shareholder letter discussing our Q3 financial results, the earnings press release including a reconciliation of non-GAAP financial information to the most directly comparable GAAP information, along with the webcast of this Q&A session are all available at the company's Investor Relations website at investor.cirrus.com. This call will feature questions from the analysts covering our company, as well as questions submitted to us via e-mail at investor.relations@cirrus.com. Please note that during this session, we may make projections and other forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from projections. By providing this information, the company undertakes no obligation to update or revise any projections or forward-looking statements whether as a result of new developments or otherwise. Please refer to the press release issued today, which is available on the Cirrus Logic website, the latest Form 10-K and 10-Q, as well as other corporate filings made with the Securities and Exchange Commission for additional discussion of risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from current expectations. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Jason Rhode, our President and Chief Executive Officer. Jason?
Jason Rhode
Thank you, Thurman. Before we begin taking questions, I'd like to highlight a few of the things we discussed in our shareholder letter. First, Q3 was a great quarter for Cirrus Logic. Revenue exceeded the high end of our initial expectations by 13% as the last few weeks of the quarter were much stronger than we had anticipated. We have strong backlog heading into Q4, which has allowed us to raise our expectations from $105 million to range between $108 million and $112 million. Second, I'm pleased with our operating profit performance. While we're continuing to hire engineers to staff new R&D projects, we remain focused on prudently managing our operating expense and driving operating margin performance. Finally, we're excited to enter the March quarter with production quantity backlog for our new digital LED lighting controller. We are working on second-generation devices and are promoting these products to several additional lighting companies. Operator, we are now ready to take questions.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Tore Svanberg with Stifel, Nicolaus.
Tore Svanberg
The first question, you just mentioned, the strong backlog led you to up your guidance for the March quarter. Could you talk a little bit about where that additional strength came from?
Jason Rhode
I would say it's just kind of across-the-board. It -- normally, we don't give guidance out as early as the time frame that we've preannounced, and that happens to be a portion of the quarter when we do lay in a fair amount of backlog. So it just amounts to us kind of going through business as usual and us getting a lot more data and that just gives us a little more confidence to build up that number. There was a couple of specific items in there, but not at the level that I want to break out.
Tore Svanberg
Sounds good, and you probably don't want to give us the numerical backlog. But just qualitatively speaking, can you talk a little about to that backlog, maybe how that stands relative to last year and maybe the year before?
Jason Rhode
It's very strong, it's very supportive of the numbers that we've put out there. It's consistent with levels we've seen in the past. The one challenge that I'll give you is that at the levels of business that we're doing -- and you can imagine what our customers go through as they try to figure out their guidance and often hard to figure out when the average guy on the street's going to walk into the department store and buy their stereo or whatever. We frequently see revisions. Customers can pretty easily push backlog out or pull more backlog in towards the end of the quarter. So it's -- that's one of the reasons that we don't like to completely hang our hat on exactly what the backlog is because there's a lot of nuance that goes into that as well. But anyway, nonetheless, it's a very strong backlog for what we're looking at, at this point.
Tore Svanberg
Very good. And on operating expenses, as you've been saying for a while now, you're really trying to up the R&D and hire more engineers. Based on your March quarter guidance, is this going to be sort of the run rate going forward, or should we expect any more step functions either way?
Jason Rhode
I would expect it to continue to go up, in at least for a while. We're not anticipating slowing down on the hiring. In fact, we're still in a mode where I can't imagine us catching up on the engineering functions to where we would really like to be.
Tore Svanberg
Very good. And could you talk a little bit, maybe a question for Thurman, what your inventory plans are for this quarter? Obviously, it was up nicely in the December quarter to support the growth, but just what your plans are here for March?
Thurman Case
Well, as a note, I mean, I think we expected inventory to be a little bit higher leaving this quarter, but because we saw some strong activity towards the end of the quarter, it was actually a little lower than we expected. We would say that next quarter is going to be, generally, in that same general range that we ended this quarter.
Tore Svanberg
Okay. Last question, the LED controller that's in production this quarter, how should I think about that for the rest of the year? Is this sort of just going to be testing the waters and seeing how successful you are or should we actually see some meaningful revenues this year from that business?
Thurman Case
No, we -- well, I guess, it always depends on what you expect by meaningful. For us, we really think the value of what we're doing this year in LED is really just validating that we're on the right track, we're engaged with the right customers, the market's really going to take off. So in terms of meaningfully differentiating our revenue, I don't think that's a 2012 statement. But, still, forecast wise, our guys are looking at shipping somewhere in the 5 million to 10 million unit range this year, which I think would be just a stunning start in that business. And I think if I look back at history, I think that's a faster start than we got even in our portable audio business.
Operator
And our next question comes from the line of Vernon Essi with Needham & Company.
Vernon Essi
I'm wondering if you could -- certainly, one thing that stands out here is the gross margin guide seems unusually strong and then in your prepared letter to the shareholders, not too much detail as to what's driving that. I'm just wondering if you could elaborate a little bit on that front.
Jason Rhode
Yes, I mean, one, first and foremost, just to kind of a shout-out, I guess, to all of our people that work on that, it's a lot of energy and effort that goes into maintaining those kind of margins, whether it's through test time reductions or negotiation with our vendors or from the engineering team point of view, probably most importantly, coming out with new products that expand our value to the customers that we serve. If you continue selling the same old part, year after year, it's not especially good for your margins or your ASPs. So all of those functions have gone pretty well and hopefully they'll continue to do that. The -- specific to this quarter, though, we do have a couple of items in there. We've got a couple of specific orders on some of the older industrial products that give us a little bit of a lift there. But as we've said, we sort of expect our margins to remain in the kind of mid-50s-ish range. Again, they can move up or down 1 point or 2 even, as quarters go on, just based on mix. But we feel pretty good about that range and, again, it's due to a lot of hard work by a lot of folks and then a couple of specific orders falling in this quarter.
Vernon Essi
Okay, and then just in terms of talking about the mix a little bit, you did provide some color on the audio business of declining, of course, the March quarter, which is typically seasonal. Is there any color you can give us on the portable side versus the rest of audio and how that may look on a sequential basis?
Jason Rhode
I mean, certainly, within audio, portable, we would expect to see a little bit of a sequential decline as well.
Vernon Essi
Okay. And then just another small point here, but I noticed this investment agreement with STATSChipPAC on the production side. If you can give me more details on that and sort of what that entails and how that might fit in your strategy this year?
Jason Rhode
Oh, that, yes. Yes, so we've been hard at work developing a lot of opportunities. We think we've got some extraordinary things in front of us. And at this point, Cirrus is probably one of the highest volume suppliers of devices in a wafer on a chip scale sort of form factor. At that phase, with some of the things that we're looking at coming down the pipe, we really wanted to make sure that we have sufficient capacity to support what we see coming during this year. So that was kind of why we went through that. It is a little bit abnormal for us to do that. We've felt like it was necessary this time.
Thurman Case
Obviously, an encouraging sign.
Jason Rhode
Ought to be, yes.
Vernon Essi
And then finally, here's the question on virtually any company sort of in your space and even a larger analogue company this evening have the same sort of issue with the distribution channel being incredibly lean, and I've noticed your largest customers there is dropping rapidly there. What's sort of your take on this behind the scenes, your discussion and dialogues with your end customers and also at the distribution level? How long is this going to go on, do you see any signs that things could actually turn here or do you sort of expect this to be sort of a flattish environment on that front?
Jason Rhode
I'm sorry, I'm not 100% sure I understand -- I maybe missed a part of that. You're talking about when we would expect these days to start being a little more optimistic, maybe kind of a little more inventory in that kind of thing?
Vernon Essi
Absolutely. I mean, your revenue into your largest distributor there dropped significantly and it seems to be operating at a very low level relative to historical norms, so...
Jason Rhode
Yes, well, certainly, more and more of our businesses is going direct, either with our largest customer or a specific to our strategy of targeting strategic accounts and partnering with them. It's not the case -- it's not true that it -- that would never go -- the larger strategic customers would never go through distribution, but generally speaking, they don't. Specific to our largest distributor which is Avnet, frankly, it's not a material concern for us from a revenue point of view just due to the fact that we recognize the bulk of the revenue with Avnet on a sell-through basis. So even if they do manage to get real high on inventory, it doesn't impact our earnings. So I've certainly seen a lot of chatter about just the inventory of late, and I don't usually pay too much attention to it because it doesn't have a huge impact on us. Unless they don't have enough of it in which case, it makes for a lot of headaches for us as we scramble around trying to fill orders at the last minute. But generally speaking, it doesn't seem to me like it's going to be all that bad of a year from a broad environment point of view. And then, of course, we're obviously a lot more specifically focused on our own situation, and much like we've done in the last 2 years, I think we're pretty well positioned to continue to outgrow the industry by a pretty good clip.
Vernon Essi
Okay, and just if I could follow on here quickly on at least the energy/industrial side. It sounds like you've seen some more direct business come in, but sort of the general tone of that business that you usually kind of get just through the channel has been sort of relatively static, it's sort of how you'd probably describe that.
Jason Rhode
Yes, I would say from a broad point of view, we've got a number of kind of unique product lines that -- whether it's Seismic or whatever else that can come in, in pretty discrete lumps and sometimes that is either outside of the distribution channel or it's arranged through the distribution channel, but the distributor touches it for a few days and it's really more of a logistics issue than it is a holding inventory issue. We don't like -- in particular, in the older energy lines, we really don't want to have a lot of inventory sitting in the distributor channel. It just tends to confuse things.
Operator
And your next question comes from the line of Jeff Schreiner with Capstone Investments.
Jeffrey Schreiner
Jason, how should we, Jason or Thurman, maybe how should we really classify this kind of LED ramp, and what -- are we looking at a ramp where maybe this calendar year it's actually kind of ramping and steadily going or is this thing going to gain in terms of its overall contribution fairly quickly in the overall business or at least in the overall non-audio business?
Thurman Case
Yes. I think like we've mentioned earlier, the guys are shooting at a number that's in the 5 million to 10 million unit range, which I think would be a huge indicator that we're on the right track and our products are really pretty remarkably superior to what else is out there. But that's, I think, I hope is certainly the reason we're investing in as heavily as we are is we hope that that's the tip of the iceberg as far as the LED lighting market is concerned. So to me, that would be a great sign of success if we can ship units in that type of volume right out of the gate and then capitalize on a very large and growing market over the next couple of years. I continue to think that that's our best opportunity to differentiate our revenue in the long run.
Jeffrey Schreiner
Okay. And then what's kind of normal seasonality coming into the March quarter? And relative to guidance, is it really -- maybe if it's weak or is it really weaker due to the non-audio business still struggling around, or is there maybe the -- a non-portable business in audio is also, obviously, seeing some seasonal corrections. But are those 2 maybe greater than normal, or where are we relative to seasonality with the current guidance?
Jason Rhode
I don't even know what normal is anymore. It's been so long since anybody in this space had normal, normal year. And then on top of that, when you lay in -- really, for us it's much more of a product cycle story than a new product introduction story. So seasonality is, certainly, an interesting little wrinkle that makes it even harder to forecast. But from a seasonality point of view, we typically see the bulk of the audio product lines experience a pretty good hit. Sometimes that's offset with new product introductions. Some of the energy products, Semi-Cap Equipment is obviously not having -- is not expected to go under a great strong streak right now, and that's -- some of our Apex -- some of the products from our Apex Precision Power line are selling into that space, so that's an area that's down a little bit. But -- so I mean, I guess, that's kind of the color. I would expect automotive to continue to slowly climb its way out of the whole that it's dug itself into a few years back. We've invested in that space and we think we're taking in some share there. So, again, that's more of a product cycle story than it is a seasonality thing.
Jeffrey Schreiner
Okay, and final question for me. You talked about how you felt possibly gross margins could, if I understood correctly, Jason, the gross margins could stay relatively in the mid 50s or so, because there may be some industrial benefits down the road from new products. I would assume maybe LED or the precious [ph] motor. But is the March quarter, in terms of the gross margin improvement that you're kind of forecasting, is that kind of happening on a non-audio basis that the benefit is coming from?
Thurman Case
I would say that's probably a fair statement. One of the bigger items in there is definitely a favorable mix of some of our higher margin energy products. And, certainly, we do hope that -- we're spending a lot of money and effort to develop this LED lighting business, and I think there's good opportunities there that some of that business can be supportive of the margins that we'd like to see. So, hopefully, that business grows, that helps us a little bit. I think we've done a very good job in portable audio, but that does -- portable does tend to remain below our corporate average a bit.
Operator
And our next question comes from the line of Rick Schafer from Oppenheimer & Co.
Shawn Simmons
This is Shawn Simmons calling in for Rick. Just a couple of questions, I guess, focusing on the, I guess, uptick and a couple of those orders on the energy side. Is that effect coming from your Seismic business? And if so is it -- how material is that going to be and I know it's tough to forecast going out of quarter, but would you expect that business to kind of fall off in the June quarter, possibly causing a slight headwind, or how do you see that?
Thurman Case
The couple of things that we've seen in there are specific to Q4, so we'll call Q1 of next fiscal year when we see it. I give up forecasting that business. There's some Seismic in there, a couple of other little things, but from an ongoing business point of view, it's kind of neither here nor there.
Shawn Simmons
Okay, great. And then, I guess, I just want to clarify on the LED ramp, the 5 million to 10 million shipments that you guys kind of expect to ramp over the next year. Is that with one customer or is that with multiple customers?
Thurman Case
There's one in there that could hit that range, there's a couple of other ones in there that might start to phase in, in that time frame. So that's kind of why -- I mean, 5 to 10 is a pretty broad range, but -- so it really kind of depends on people's ramp timing and does it launch one quarter or the next quarter or whatnot. The lighting market is really pretty remarkably fragmented. Any one manufacturer of lightbulbs has got a really large array of different models, so it can take -- even when the customers really enthusiastic about designing us in, our expectation is it takes quite a while to penetrate a broad range of their lightbulbs.
Shawn Simmons
Okay. And then, what sort of ASP do you guys get on that product?
Thurman Case
It's ballpark of $0.50 cents, depends. Some of the -- one of the newer products that we're just kind of putting the finishing touches on right now is a 2-string controller. It's got some interesting properties for being able to make a light that is both bright -- as bright as you would want it and a pleasant white color, which seems like a novel idea, as well as being compatible with the dimmers that are out there, and that function is a little more valuable, so hopefully we can see a little higher ASPs out of that one.
Shawn Simmons
Okay, great. And then, I guess, switching gears to the audio side of the house. I guess, have you guys started to see any traction outside of your largest customer for Tier 1 handsets, smartphones?
Jason Rhode
I guess it depends on what you mean by traction. We're having more interesting discussions now. We're in development of at least -- well, we've got the DSP that we've had out there for a while. We've talked to a number of folks about enables functions like echo cancellation, noise suppression and things like that. And then we're working on some other new stuff that we think might run our PO out. The trick is that, historically, the bulk of the audio performance value that we provide is things like noise performance and dynamic range THD, things like that. And in order for one of our customers to get a lot of value out of those functions, they need to really be targeting differentiating on audio quality, making a premium audio product. Now, really, to do that, you got to have a dock connector on your phone, and, frankly, there's really only one of those out there that matters, and it happens to be the one we're in. So for us to really provide the kind of value that we like to provide, we need to broaden our appeal out past traditional measures of audio quality. And so it's why the focus on things like noise suppression, echo cancellation, noise cancellation, making speakers louder and whatnot. So we got some new products in the works, we think that'll give us further opportunities outside of the handset we're in today, but that's a -- it's a little further down the road still. That said, the DSP that we've talked about on the last couple of calls has definitely continued to get traction with various different tablet folks. The Vizio guys launched a tablet last summer. We spent an interesting thing, we had conversations around other product lines as well, headsets and then it launched in the line of camcorders from Japan last quarter, so that's an exciting thing to see as well.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] And our next question comes from the line of Christopher Longiaru with Sidoti & Company.
Christopher Longiaru
So first off, I mean, have you -- can you comment on just the ASP situation in terms of -- it seems like you haven't had much pressure at all. Can you make a relative commentary about any pressure, and also, as it's tied to the inventory levels that you're seeing both in-house and outside?
Jason Rhode
I guess I would characterize it a little differently. I can see why it would maybe look like that from the outside. No, I would say that the bulk of our customers, especially the Tier 1 accounts, typically, have a very fine stable of purchasing folks who I would say do a very thorough job of making sure they add value for their employers and making sure our prices are fair and whatnot. Hi, if you're listening. But the real thing for us is making sure, like I said earlier, that we're introducing new products that continue that value. We don't want to be in a position having to sell our customers the same products year after year after year. I mean, there's aspects of that, that are kind of nice, but in particular, in a growing business where there's a lot of new value to add, portable audio is really nice because we're able to revise the products pretty frequently, add new features, new functionality, help our customers drive their building materials down, and in the process, in some cases, drive our ASPs up. So while looking from the outside, you don't have really enough visibility to see what happens there. Certainly, there's price pressure and I think our supply chain folks have done a very good job of responding and passing some of that along to our suppliers, but that is a challenge for sure. But the largest way that we're able to offset that is by introducing new products that continue to add more value and then everybody wins.
Christopher Longiaru
That makes a lot of sense. And this one's for Thurman, just on the tax rate, it's been a little bit higher the last couple of quarters than we had modeled. Is there a -- can you give us some guidance on what we should model going forward?
Thurman Case
Well, I mean, from a general standpoint, it runs right around 2%. I mean...
Christopher Longiaru
So that's what we should be modeling going forward?
Thurman Case
I would say going forward between 2% and 3%, yes.
Operator
And our next question comes from the line of Tore Svanberg with Stifel, Nicolaus.
Tore Svanberg
Yes, just a -- just follow-ups. First of all, you said you're going to get some mixed benefit this quarter from industrial. I was just wondering if that's related to LED or it's actually your Seismic business coming back?
Jason Rhode
No. These are, yes, these are more on the -- these products are more in the geriatric category.
Tore Svanberg
Okay, very good.
Jason Rhode
Once LED starts to ramp, we wouldn't expect that to be in a kind of a onetime, lumpy fashion. That, fortunately, unlike some of our older industrial businesses, LED lighting is more of a kind of design-in and laser blade, hopefully, model where people are ordering more and more as it goes on.
Tore Svanberg
Sounds good. And just to clarify, when you talked about the DSP, I mean, did you say that it's actually ramping with more than one customer or...
Jason Rhode
Yes. We've shifted to -- we have multiple customers that have shifted in production, probably the most notable to date, from a volume point of view, has been the Sony camcorder design when we talked about the shareholder letter. And just since you mentioned it, I'll just -- that is a perfect example, just textbook example of our strategy the way we'd like to see it unfold. Our marketing team uncovered an opportunity in Japan years ago using a standard audio CODEC that we already had with that account, and showed it to them. They liked it a lot, asked us to do a custom version of that for them and incorporated some of their IP. We did that a few years ago that shipped in media player devices, and that's really broadened out our relationship there and given us new opportunities. And when you do a good job of taking care of a big customer like that, you start to get more of an advantage in terms of getting a good look at new opportunities. So something we had at the catalog product grew into an opportunity to do a custom product and that grew into an opportunity for a whole product line, which is our DSP. So everybody involved on the Cirrus side, from the sales teams, to marketing, to engineering and supply chain, all just really executed well enough to make that one happen.
Operator
And I'm showing there are no further audio questions at this time. I'll now turn the call back to management for any remarks you may have.
Jeremy Allen
Great. We've got one question from a shareholder that was submitted online. We had a number of others that were submitted, but I think we've addressed all of those in the call already. This question comes from a shareholder in St. Louis, addressing -- asking if you could address the difference in lead times for producing our audio products and our energy products, specifically asking how quickly can you turn in an order around book and ship it and recognize revenue?
Jason Rhode
Well, it depends on a number of things. Packaging, in particular and then also wafer process. So if it's an older product with 0.35-micron or something like that, it turns out the wafer processing is very, very quick. And then, as well, the packaging if it's in an older leaded package, that can be as short as a couple of weeks for the package and 6 or 8 weeks for the wafer fab, whereas the more advanced product, it's -- maybe flip chip into a -- onto a substrate or something like that, could be as long as 16 weeks. So it really depends more on the technology involved than it does the product line. But at the end of the day, we don't -- we try pretty hard not to be -- we're fortunate we have the asset of a fair amount of cash and we've been in business for a long time so we don't have to play that card too close to the vest. We like to keep a reasonable inventory so that our customers can capitalize on whatever upside they might see. Does that feel like right? Is that what you're going for?
Jeremy Allen
Well, I think it's all the questions that we have.
Jason Rhode
Great. Well, I'd like to thank everybody for the questions today. If you have any questions that were not dressed on the call, you can submit them to us via the Ask the CEO section of our Investor website, as well as by e-mail. And I'd just like to thank you for joining us on the call today.
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude our conference call for today. We'd like to thank all of you for your participation, and you may now disconnect.